I was confused about that as well, I thought it had something to do with epsom salt.
On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 7:50 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: > Yeah, like what are “bath salts”? I look it up and Wikipedia refers to > “monkey dust”. OK, so what’s … oh, never mind. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2024 7:36 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads > > > > The Dude called the other (big) Lebowski a human paraquat, I don't think > there was any reference to getting high on it. I assume that would be > fairly unwise, not that it has stopped people from getting high on unwise > things in other situations. > > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 1:03 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote: > > Wait, I thought paraquat was a herbicide. Are people getting high on it? > That seems unwise. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2024 12:56 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads > > > > The first time I remember hearing about paraquat was in The Big Lebowski. > > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 11:58 AM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: > > Did roomates one time. At college. Total Animal House back in the late > 1970s. Fridge converted to a keg cooler. Sex, drugs, rock and roll. I > wasn’t down on the farm any more. My kids and grandkids think of it as a > mythological time, not sure it was real. > > Anyone remember paraquat? > > > > > > *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com > > *Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2024 10:04 AM > > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads > > > > First apartment in 1998: $40/week for a bedroom. The living room, > kitchen, and 1 bathroom shared with 5 other guys. Power and heat were > included, and the group shared the cost of a phone. That place got > incredibly squalid, and some of my roommates were involved in illegal > activities. The police raided the place a few weeks after I moved out. > These drug dealers were very nice people though and I did feel bad for them > –When you think about it they work in sales, right? If they’re any good at > it they’re probably nice guys. > > > > Second apartment in 1999: $540/month plus utilities. I had heat, > electric, and phone. I used email at work and opted not to have a > connection at home. I made $8/hour. By the time I paid the car insurance > I was broke every month. But it was cleaner because it was just me. This > was literally the only time in my life when I had my own place. One year. > > > > Third apartment in 2000 - 2003: Split a 2 BR house with 3 other guys. > Myself and one other guy shared the finished back porch which may or may > not have legally counted as a 3rd bedroom. This one also got squalid, > but less so than the first one, and no nefarious activities. We mostly all > got along and had fun together. > > > > I had one other apartment after that…..a nicer one where everybody had > their own room, but still shared. After that it was me and my wife. > > > > Roommates were a grand adventure. Highly recommended. > > > > -Adam > > > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2024 11:21 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads > > > > There's still stigma associated with room mates. Every time I get in a > conversation about this, I'm beaten for daring to suggest having room > mates. It's always stuff like how dare I suggest a room mate to a person > whose bar as a single person with no kids being a 3 or 4 bedroom townhouse. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image: > Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[image: > Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[image: Image > removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > [image: Image removed by sender.] > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image: Image removed by > sender.] > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <khoh...@kwom.com> > *To: *af@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, September 30, 2024 9:37:10 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads > > We bought the house where I still live in 1976 for $60,000. Had to save up > the 20% down payment. Was living in a $200/mo apartment. We were "dinks" > (dual income no kids) although my wife was going to school part of that > time. > > Main difference today seems to be a shortage of houses. Also less people > seeing home ownership as the "American dream". And majority of new housing > comes with the dreaded HOA. > > But for the people working gig jobs it's going to be tough to buy a house. > Or single parents. Not sure that's a generational thing. > > The good news maybe is there's less of a stigma living with your parents > in your 20s or 30s to make ends meet. In my day you'd rather live with 3 > roommates in a run down apartment and eat ramen for every meal, than live > with mom and dad. > > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: dmmoff...@gmail.com > Sent: 9/30/2024 9:18:52 AM > To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads > > The actual cost of the house was about half after adjusting for > inflation. https://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-vs-inflation/ > > Meanwhile, real wages have been flat. > > > > I do believe it’s harder to save for the down payment. Your monthly > payment would be higher with a higher interest rate, but the bar people > have trouble crossing is saving for the down payment while also paying > their rent. If they can pay $1500/month in rent they could pay $1500/month > for a mortgage right? So I don’t think this problem is imaginary. > > > > I also believe we live in a free market wherein most of this is determined > by the collective decisions of millions of people. Blaming any particular > group of people is oversimplifying. > > > > -Adam > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Robert > *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2024 7:00 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads > > > > And 13.5% mortgage rates. Buying a house in the 70's was Waaaay more > difficult than it is now... > > On 9/27/24 12:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Sounds about right. > > Only thing I'd add is I think the Internet contributes to this. > > I hear from my 37 year old son how all these difficulties are because the > "boomers" broke everything and rigged the system against them. I don't > think the kids really know what a baby boomer is, it's a synonym for "the > olds". > > At 37 he's not the Instagram/Tiktok generation, more the > Youtube/Reddit/podcast generation. But people are telling him the boomers > rigged the system and made life hard for him. > > Hey, I am a boomer. I went through recessions, the Vietnam draft, double > digit inflation, the Arab oil embargo, the stock market crash of 1987. Oh > and JFK, John Lennon and Ronald Reagan being shot. I figured I had it good > because my dad and uncle fought in WW2, and my grandfather lived through > the Great Depression. But I guess everything was just peachy until my > generation conspired to make life difficult for the "not olds". > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" > Sent: 9/27/2024 12:42:26 PM > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads > > My take on this is that most high school or college grads take a while to > figure out how to manage having a job. They also take a while to > accumulate enough resources and get paid enough that life doesn't consist > of working your ass off just to barely cover (or not) essential living > expenses. Most of us started out living in crap conditions, eating whatever > we could get for cheap, and driving vehicles which were lucky to start on a > good day. > > > > The difference I see is that gen Z seems to blame the 'olds' for their > problems and don't understand that everyone goes through this barely > feeding yourself stage. There is also this odd sense of entitlement mixed > with bizarre expectations. I don't remember many of my peers expecting to > be given a job where they didn't have to do normal work things like show up > and get paid large amounts of money. Oh, and to never be given negative > feedback. > > > > I realize every generation goes through this cycle that eventually ends up > with complaining about the younger generations. It makes me smile to see > the millennials switch from being the problem generation to whining about > the problem generation. But, I can't help but feel that there is > something fundamentally broken in a very non-similar-to-the-past way with > many in the latest crop. > > > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 7:52 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've often said this, but part of the issue is selection bias. People who > can't hack it will eventually either wise up or remove themselves from the > work force, and then the older cohort will look better as a consequence. > I'm at the borderline between "Gen X" and "Millennial", and people > complained and moaned about both age groups. We're senior staff and > management now and complaining about how lazy Gen Z is. You can find news > articles from the 1800's complaining about "today's young people". This is > the same wheel that's been turning since the beginning. > > Ugg and Ogg sat in their cave knapping flint spearheads and complaining > about how wheels are making kids too lazy to do real work. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 6:31 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads > > I assume some percentage of people in the Gen Z cohort do want to work hard > and build a successful career. Imagine you're a new grad hired into a work > from home or 2 days at the office company. That's got to be sub optimum. I > think the whole Covid work from home thing also relieved the first level > managers of actually doing their job - managing people. Or is that done by > AI now? > > Article seems to say after a couple years of just griping about it, bosses > are starting to fire the non performers. So what were the bosses doing > until > now to earn their pay? Oooooh, firing people is hard! With newbies you also > need to do feedback and mentoring, because according to the article, > colleges aren't preparing them for the world of work. And if these > companies > have accumulated a bunch of worthless employees with bad attitudes, that's > going to rub off on impressionable newbies. Honestly, that kind of happened > to me at my first job after college. > > Just my $0.02 worth. > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: ch...@go-mtc.com > Sent: 9/26/2024 5:06:27 PM > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads > > There seems to be a growing idea amongst the younger citizens that there is > a universal human right to never suffer hurt feelings. The ultra woke I > think would see a world where you have to be nice all the time to everyone, > irrespective of circumstance. > > This was prophesied by Rod Serling: > https://youtu.be/QxTMbIxEj-E?si=KMH-oBOURYW7tPbM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan-GAMs > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 3:46 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads > > What did you expect? They're raised on TV and gameboxes and a diet that > literally had no food value, zero nutrition. Their brains never developed > and most of them are now living on adderal or ritilin. > They're non-functional humans and we have an entire generation of them. > With the attention-span of a fruit-fly. We might as well have used > lead-cookware, same result. > > On 9/26/24 14:13, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > https://fortune.com/2024/09/26/bosses-firing-gen-z-grads-months-after- > > hiring/ > > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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