I would interpret that as a human paraquat being something that ruins
something good.
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2024 6:35 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
The Dude called the other (big) Lebowski a human paraquat, I don't
think there was any reference to getting high on it. I assume that
would be fairly unwise, not that it has stopped people from getting
high on unwise things in other situations.
On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 1:03 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
Wait, I thought paraquat was a herbicide. Are people getting high
on it? That seems unwise.
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, September 30, 2024 12:56 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
The first time I remember hearing about paraquat was in The Big
Lebowski.
On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 11:58 AM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
Did roomates one time. At college. Total Animal House back
in the late 1970s. Fridge converted to a keg cooler. Sex,
drugs, rock and roll. I wasn’t down on the farm any more. My
kids and grandkids think of it as a mythological time, not
sure it was real.
Anyone remember paraquat?
*From:*dmmoff...@gmail.com
*Sent:*Monday, September 30, 2024 10:04 AM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
First apartment in 1998: $40/week for a bedroom. The living
room, kitchen, and 1 bathroom shared with 5 other guys. Power
and heat were included, and the group shared the cost of a
phone. That place got incredibly squalid, and some of my
roommates were involved in illegal activities. The police
raided the place a few weeks after I moved out. These drug
dealers were very nice people though and I did feel bad for
them –When you think about it they work in sales, right? If
they’re any good at it they’re probably nice guys.
Second apartment in 1999: $540/month plus utilities. I had
heat, electric, and phone. I used email at work and opted not
to have a connection at home. I made $8/hour. By the time I
paid the car insurance I was broke every month. But it was
cleaner because it was just me. This was literally the only
time in my life when I had my own place. One year.
Third apartment in 2000 - 2003: Split a 2 BR house with 3
other guys. Myself and one other guy shared the finished back
porch which may or may not have legally counted as a 3^rd
bedroom. This one also got squalid, but less so than the
first one, and no nefarious activities. We mostly all got
along and had fun together.
I had one other apartment after that…..a nicer one where
everybody had their own room, but still shared. After that it
was me and my wife.
Roommates were a grand adventure. Highly recommended.
-Adam
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There's still stigma associated with room mates. Every time I
get in a conversation about this, I'm beaten for daring to
suggest having room mates. It's always stuff like how dare I
suggest a room mate to a person whose bar as a single person
with no kids being a 3 or 4 bedroom townhouse.
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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
We bought the house where I still live in 1976 for $60,000.
Had to save up the 20% down payment. Was living in a $200/mo
apartment. We were "dinks" (dual income no kids) although my
wife was going to school part of that time.
Main difference today seems to be a shortage of houses. Also
less people seeing home ownership as the "American dream". And
majority of new housing comes with the dreaded HOA.
But for the people working gig jobs it's going to be tough to
buy a house. Or single parents. Not sure that's a generational
thing.
The good news maybe is there's less of a stigma living with
your parents in your 20s or 30s to make ends meet. In my day
you'd rather live with 3 roommates in a run down apartment and
eat ramen for every meal, than live with mom and dad.
---- Original Message ----
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: 9/30/2024 9:18:52 AM
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
The actual cost of the house was about half after adjusting
for inflation.
https://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-vs-inflation/
<https://www.longtermtrends.net/home-price-vs-inflation/>
Meanwhile, real wages have been flat.
I do believe it’s harder to save for the down payment. Your
monthly payment would be higher with a higher interest rate,
but the bar people have trouble crossing is saving for the
down payment while also paying their rent. If they can pay
$1500/month in rent they could pay $1500/month for a mortgage
right? So I don’t think this problem is imaginary.
I also believe we live in a free market wherein most of this
is determined by the collective decisions of millions of
people. Blaming any particular group of people is
oversimplifying.
-Adam
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2024 7:00 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
And 13.5% mortgage rates. Buying a house in the 70's was
Waaaay more difficult than it is now...
On 9/27/24 12:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Sounds about right.
Only thing I'd add is I think the Internet contributes to
this.
I hear from my 37 year old son how all these difficulties
are because the "boomers" broke everything and rigged the
system against them. I don't think the kids really know
what a baby boomer is, it's a synonym for "the olds".
At 37 he's not the Instagram/Tiktok generation, more the
Youtube/Reddit/podcast generation. But people are telling
him the boomers rigged the system and made life hard for him.
Hey, I am a boomer. I went through recessions, the Vietnam
draft, double digit inflation, the Arab oil embargo, the
stock market crash of 1987. Oh and JFK, John Lennon and
Ronald Reagan being shot. I figured I had it good because
my dad and uncle fought in WW2, and my grandfather lived
through the Great Depression. But I guess everything was
just peachy until my generation conspired to make life
difficult for the "not olds".
---- Original Message ----
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
Sent: 9/27/2024 12:42:26 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
My take on this is that most high school or college grads
take a while to figure out how to manage having a job.
They also take a while to accumulate enough resources and
get paid enough that life doesn't consist of working your
ass off just to barely cover (or not) essential living
expenses. Most of us started out living in crap
conditions, eating whatever we could get for cheap, and
driving vehicles which were lucky to start on a good day.
The difference I see is that gen Z seems to blame the
'olds' for their problems and don't understand that
everyone goes through this barely feeding yourself stage.
There is also this odd sense of entitlement mixed with
bizarre expectations. I don't remember many of my peers
expecting to be given a job where they didn't have to do
normal work things like show up and get paid large amounts
of money. Oh, and to never be given negative feedback.
I realize every generation goes through this cycle that
eventually ends up with complaining about the younger
generations. It makes me smile to see the millennials
switch from being the problem generation to whining about
the problem generation. But, I can't help but feel that
there is something fundamentally broken in a very
non-similar-to-the-past way with many in the latest crop.
On Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 7:52 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've often said this, but part of the issue is
selection bias. People who
can't hack it will eventually either wise up or remove
themselves from the
work force, and then the older cohort will look better
as a consequence.
I'm at the borderline between "Gen X" and
"Millennial", and people
complained and moaned about both age groups. We're
senior staff and
management now and complaining about how lazy Gen Z
is. You can find news
articles from the 1800's complaining about "today's
young people". This is
the same wheel that's been turning since the beginning.
Ugg and Ogg sat in their cave knapping flint
spearheads and complaining
about how wheels are making kids too lazy to do real work.
-----Original Message-----
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 6:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
I assume some percentage of people in the Gen Z cohort
do want to work hard
and build a successful career. Imagine you're a new
grad hired into a work
from home or 2 days at the office company. That's got
to be sub optimum. I
think the whole Covid work from home thing also
relieved the first level
managers of actually doing their job - managing
people. Or is that done by
AI now?
Article seems to say after a couple years of just
griping about it, bosses
are starting to fire the non performers. So what were
the bosses doing until
now to earn their pay? Oooooh, firing people is hard!
With newbies you also
need to do feedback and mentoring, because according
to the article,
colleges aren't preparing them for the world of work.
And if these companies
have accumulated a bunch of worthless employees with
bad attitudes, that's
going to rub off on impressionable newbies. Honestly,
that kind of happened
to me at my first job after college.
Just my $0.02 worth.
---- Original Message ----
From: ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: 9/26/2024 5:06:27 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
There seems to be a growing idea amongst the younger
citizens that there is
a universal human right to never suffer hurt
feelings. The ultra woke I
think would see a world where you have to be nice all
the time to everyone,
irrespective of circumstance.
This was prophesied by Rod Serling:
https://youtu.be/QxTMbIxEj-E?si=KMH-oBOURYW7tPbM
<https://youtu.be/QxTMbIxEj-E?si=KMH-oBOURYW7tPbM>
-----Original Message-----
From: Jan-GAMs
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 3:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads
What did you expect? They're raised on TV and
gameboxes and a diet that
literally had no food value, zero nutrition. Their
brains never developed
and most of them are now living on adderal or ritilin.
They're non-functional humans and we have an entire
generation of them.
With the attention-span of a fruit-fly. We might as
well have used
lead-cookware, same result.
On 9/26/24 14:13, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
https://fortune.com/2024/09/26/bosses-firing-gen-z-grads-months-after-
<https://fortune.com/2024/09/26/bosses-firing-gen-z-grads-months-after->
> hiring/
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