Not sure how I participated in rigging anything. All my kids are millenials, pretty much from beginning of the era to the end. The youngest is about 28 (I think) bleats about the impossibility of owning a home, but the oldest is 42 (I think) and has been a homeowner for almost 20 years. I have some with advanced degrees and some that have not chosen to finish college. The older ones were with me when I was going to college.
Fun, one of the older ones used to complain about the olds, but she married a marine, two deployments to Afghanistan. GI bill he is a ME with a good job, she got a degree and was a JR high science teacher for 5 years. Two kids. She now works part time for me doing inventory management and control. I hear her sounding more like me every day. That is very satisfying. I guess rigged systems and conspiracies are a way to shift blame away from yourself. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, September 27, 2024 1:06 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads Sounds about right. Only thing I'd add is I think the Internet contributes to this. I hear from my 37 year old son how all these difficulties are because the "boomers" broke everything and rigged the system against them. I don't think the kids really know what a baby boomer is, it's a synonym for "the olds". At 37 he's not the Instagram/Tiktok generation, more the Youtube/Reddit/podcast generation. But people are telling him the boomers rigged the system and made life hard for him. Hey, I am a boomer. I went through recessions, the Vietnam draft, double digit inflation, the Arab oil embargo, the stock market crash of 1987. Oh and JFK, John Lennon and Ronald Reagan being shot. I figured I had it good because my dad and uncle fought in WW2, and my grandfather lived through the Great Depression. But I guess everything was just peachy until my generation conspired to make life difficult for the "not olds". ---- Original Message ---- From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" Sent: 9/27/2024 12:42:26 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads My take on this is that most high school or college grads take a while to figure out how to manage having a job. They also take a while to accumulate enough resources and get paid enough that life doesn't consist of working your ass off just to barely cover (or not) essential living expenses. Most of us started out living in crap conditions, eating whatever we could get for cheap, and driving vehicles which were lucky to start on a good day. The difference I see is that gen Z seems to blame the 'olds' for their problems and don't understand that everyone goes through this barely feeding yourself stage. There is also this odd sense of entitlement mixed with bizarre expectations. I don't remember many of my peers expecting to be given a job where they didn't have to do normal work things like show up and get paid large amounts of money. Oh, and to never be given negative feedback. I realize every generation goes through this cycle that eventually ends up with complaining about the younger generations. It makes me smile to see the millennials switch from being the problem generation to whining about the problem generation. But, I can't help but feel that there is something fundamentally broken in a very non-similar-to-the-past way with many in the latest crop. On Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 7:52 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: I've often said this, but part of the issue is selection bias. People who can't hack it will eventually either wise up or remove themselves from the work force, and then the older cohort will look better as a consequence. I'm at the borderline between "Gen X" and "Millennial", and people complained and moaned about both age groups. We're senior staff and management now and complaining about how lazy Gen Z is. You can find news articles from the 1800's complaining about "today's young people". This is the same wheel that's been turning since the beginning. Ugg and Ogg sat in their cave knapping flint spearheads and complaining about how wheels are making kids too lazy to do real work. -----Original Message----- From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 6:31 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads I assume some percentage of people in the Gen Z cohort do want to work hard and build a successful career. Imagine you're a new grad hired into a work from home or 2 days at the office company. That's got to be sub optimum. I think the whole Covid work from home thing also relieved the first level managers of actually doing their job - managing people. Or is that done by AI now? Article seems to say after a couple years of just griping about it, bosses are starting to fire the non performers. So what were the bosses doing until now to earn their pay? Oooooh, firing people is hard! With newbies you also need to do feedback and mentoring, because according to the article, colleges aren't preparing them for the world of work. And if these companies have accumulated a bunch of worthless employees with bad attitudes, that's going to rub off on impressionable newbies. Honestly, that kind of happened to me at my first job after college. Just my $0.02 worth. ---- Original Message ---- From: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: 9/26/2024 5:06:27 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads There seems to be a growing idea amongst the younger citizens that there is a universal human right to never suffer hurt feelings. The ultra woke I think would see a world where you have to be nice all the time to everyone, irrespective of circumstance. This was prophesied by Rod Serling: https://youtu.be/QxTMbIxEj-E?si=KMH-oBOURYW7tPbM -----Original Message----- From: Jan-GAMs Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 3:46 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads What did you expect? They're raised on TV and gameboxes and a diet that literally had no food value, zero nutrition. Their brains never developed and most of them are now living on adderal or ritilin. They're non-functional humans and we have an entire generation of them. With the attention-span of a fruit-fly. We might as well have used lead-cookware, same result. 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