“I can't help but feel that there is something fundamentally broken in a very non-similar-to-the-past way with many in the latest crop. “
I get it. My point is everyone in the past had the exact same feeling because if they didn’t have that feeling they wouldn’t have been complaining about it. This is not to say that Gen Z’s workplace behavior shouldn’t be corrected. That has to happen for their own sake. We all are allowed to wish the world was a certain way, Gen Z included, but we have to live in it the way it actually is. That’s so obvious to any of us now that it doesn’t even need to be said out loud, but it may need to be said to the young-uns so they at least start thinking about it. Or they won’t learn and they’ll end up living in bad conditions for their entire life, but at that point they won’t be sending you resume’s, and then the remainder of the “Gen Z” workforce won’t look so bad anymore. Then we’ll be talking about the next batch of stupid kids and how stupid they are. -Adam From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, September 27, 2024 1:41 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads My take on this is that most high school or college grads take a while to figure out how to manage having a job. They also take a while to accumulate enough resources and get paid enough that life doesn't consist of working your ass off just to barely cover (or not) essential living expenses. Most of us started out living in crap conditions, eating whatever we could get for cheap, and driving vehicles which were lucky to start on a good day. The difference I see is that gen Z seems to blame the 'olds' for their problems and don't understand that everyone goes through this barely feeding yourself stage. There is also this odd sense of entitlement mixed with bizarre expectations. I don't remember many of my peers expecting to be given a job where they didn't have to do normal work things like show up and get paid large amounts of money. Oh, and to never be given negative feedback. I realize every generation goes through this cycle that eventually ends up with complaining about the younger generations. It makes me smile to see the millennials switch from being the problem generation to whining about the problem generation. But, I can't help but feel that there is something fundamentally broken in a very non-similar-to-the-past way with many in the latest crop. On Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 7:52 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: I've often said this, but part of the issue is selection bias. People who can't hack it will eventually either wise up or remove themselves from the work force, and then the older cohort will look better as a consequence. I'm at the borderline between "Gen X" and "Millennial", and people complained and moaned about both age groups. We're senior staff and management now and complaining about how lazy Gen Z is. You can find news articles from the 1800's complaining about "today's young people". This is the same wheel that's been turning since the beginning. Ugg and Ogg sat in their cave knapping flint spearheads and complaining about how wheels are making kids too lazy to do real work. -----Original Message----- From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 6:31 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads I assume some percentage of people in the Gen Z cohort do want to work hard and build a successful career. Imagine you're a new grad hired into a work from home or 2 days at the office company. That's got to be sub optimum. I think the whole Covid work from home thing also relieved the first level managers of actually doing their job - managing people. Or is that done by AI now? Article seems to say after a couple years of just griping about it, bosses are starting to fire the non performers. So what were the bosses doing until now to earn their pay? Oooooh, firing people is hard! With newbies you also need to do feedback and mentoring, because according to the article, colleges aren't preparing them for the world of work. And if these companies have accumulated a bunch of worthless employees with bad attitudes, that's going to rub off on impressionable newbies. Honestly, that kind of happened to me at my first job after college. Just my $0.02 worth. ---- Original Message ---- From: ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> Sent: 9/26/2024 5:06:27 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads There seems to be a growing idea amongst the younger citizens that there is a universal human right to never suffer hurt feelings. The ultra woke I think would see a world where you have to be nice all the time to everyone, irrespective of circumstance. This was prophesied by Rod Serling: https://youtu.be/QxTMbIxEj-E?si=KMH-oBOURYW7tPbM -----Original Message----- From: Jan-GAMs Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2024 3:46 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gen Z new college grads What did you expect? They're raised on TV and gameboxes and a diet that literally had no food value, zero nutrition. Their brains never developed and most of them are now living on adderal or ritilin. They're non-functional humans and we have an entire generation of them. With the attention-span of a fruit-fly. We might as well have used lead-cookware, same result. On 9/26/24 14:13, Ken Hohhof wrote: > https://fortune.com/2024/09/26/bosses-firing-gen-z-grads-months-after- > hiring/ > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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