You guys just crossed the Star Trek/Star Wars streams. The universe will now explode.
On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 2:29 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > If I have enough tachyons. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Hohhof > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:25 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms > > Can you make the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs? > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:43 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms > > I have 13 mS to google. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fiber...@mail.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 10:32 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms > > I don't know about *anybody* who has 40 ms in-home latency. Normal in-home > latency is measured in milliseconds. The WAN latency absolutely dwarfs > that. > > Starlink's latency is an order of magnitude larger than in-home latency. > Obviously this is a matter of interest when evaluating the big picture. > > Adding to that, the user can affect in-home latency, but not so much with > WAN latency. > > These are just facts, not opinions. > > Anyway, Starlink may even end up overdelivering on bandwidth if all goes > well. However, they overpromise and underdeliver on latency. Which I think > is a shame. It would have been much better to give realistic figures, > especially as there is quite high variability. I guess the pressure is > really high to make that FCC 100 ms cut. > > Starlink will find many takers, no doubt. As to the FCC, I will freely > admit > my bias against Starlink. I don't think Starlink should under *any* > circumstances get *any* subsidies. Other than that, I wish them well. From > a > purely technological standpoint I find Starlink extremely cool. > > > Jared > > > > From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > > To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" <af@af.afmug.com> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms > > > > We're obsessing over the wide area latency even though it goes to > > space and back, but the in-home latency is not much less and nobody > > every seems to worry about it. > > > > Other than the occasional diehard gamer, nobody "hardwires" their > > devices anymore, it's all WiFi. > > > > Another way of saying the Starlink numbers don't sound too bad. > > Hoping the FCC will disqualify them based on latency sounds like a > > long shot. Not like Hughesnet where the latency actually does suck. > > > > Also most customers never look at latency numbers, and if they do, > > they probably don't understand that lower is better. Oh no, my ping > > is only 15, it used to be 500 with Hughesnet. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 10:29 AM > > To: af@af.afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms > > > > 1/3/15 ms. How is that relevant? > > > > > > Jared > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2020 at 11:20 AM > > > From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > > > To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" <af@af.afmug.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms > > > > > > And what is the min/avg/max latency over typical home WiFi from > > > router to > > device? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 10:06 AM > > > To: af@af.afmug.com > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms > > > > > > Yes, I've seen that email. You'll note that they very carefully > > > avoid > > mentioning that the latency targets are best case minimum latencies, > > not average latency or even latency upper and lower limits. > > > > > > > > > Jared > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms > > > > > > Here's the email Starlink sent out a week ago, attached. 16 to 19ms > > > latency target in summer of 2021 > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 9:57 AM > > > <fiber...@mail.com[mailto:fiber...@mail.com]> wrote:From: "Bill > > > Prince" <part15...@gmail.com[mailto:part15...@gmail.com]> > > > To: af@af.afmug.com[mailto:af@af.afmug.com] > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink latency highly variable - up to 120 ms > > > > > > > > I call that BS. It means they can route the traffic to the nearest > > > > end point. I think it will make a massive difference. > > > You can call BS all day long til you are blue in the face, it > > > won't > > change facts. > > > > > > The minimum end user latency is dominated by the RF space segment > > > which > > is currently averaging 40 ms. There are promises about lowering this, > > but nobody has ever claimed any numbers lower than 20 ms. > > > > > > It means jack all to the end user if Starlink uses a space laser > > > to do > > one or two hops when they have to pay a 20-40 ms penalty to go up and > > down. > > > > > > > > > Jared > > > > > > -- > > > AF mailing list > > > AF@af.afmug.com[mailto:AF@af.afmug.com] > > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > > > > > > Darin Steffl > > > Minnesota WiFi > > > www.mnwifi.com[http://www.mnwifi.com/] > > > 507-634-WiFi > > > Like us on Facebook[http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi]-- AF > > > mailing list AF@af.afmug.com > > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com[http://af.afmug > > > .c om/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com] > > > > > > -- > > > AF mailing list > > > AF@af.afmug.com > > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AF mailing list > > > AF@af.afmug.com > > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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