Not quite like shutting down an assembly line for washing machines.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
I was listening to a lady talk about it and explaining the assembly line and
how it only operates if all components operate. Its kind of impressive to see
something so massive that requires so many parts to be functioning having been
chugging along all this time without a breakdown. Predicting how many head will
be in demand 3-18 months down the line probably is a little bit more than
farmer jim just guessing, there has to be an amazing amount of statistical data
in play at any given time. Beef guys, a year and a half ago had no way of
seeing this brick coming at their face, hogs 3 months ago, im guessing saw the
writing on the wall with china croaking off, but they still had 90 days of hogs
in the pipe. I cant imagine that, seeing it coming and knowing that right
around the corner youre going to have to do a major culling.
Anybody know if this is insurable or is it one of those act of god?
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:26 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Do you do a short or long position.
Short would be to kill all the little pigs in the assembly line now and shut
it down. Save the adults for the hope you can sell them.
Long would be kill the adults and keep the assembly line moving.
Glad I don’t have to do that coin toss. I think long is the way to go.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
I won't claim to know a lot about any ag business but that doesn't make
sense. A full grown animal represents a lot of money in feed. Killing grown
stock to make room for growing stock means you are putting more money into
feed, antibiotics, etc, along with associuated loss percentages. Full grown
loss is less than juvenile loss. Maybe your right, that just isn't the way the
cattle business works. Of course maybe the gestational cycle and time
difference to adulthood makes a difference.
I just know every pound on an animal represents cost so if you are going to
kill something, kill the unproven babies before they cost you more money.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:42 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Costs money to feed and take care of them. They have younger ones coming
up through the assembly line that needs the space.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
Dumb question, but why would they slaughter them if they can't sell them?
On 4/29/2020 3:58 PM, David Coudron wrote:
And so it starts…… ☹ (it might have been happening a while already)
The attached picture is from South Dakota as I understand it, but will be
happening in many locations across the Midwest as large producers deal with the
fact that there is no one buying finished hogs. Taking this much meat out of
the supply chain is certain to show up as shortages in grocery stores.
Tough to see.
Regards,
David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
The one I wanted to go to was Hoesly’s Meats in New Glarus. I’m not sure
where we’ll go now. It looks like there are several around the Monroe area
though so maybe I’ll check out one of those. I’m waiting to hear back from our
4H club’s Beef leader since he knows all the options around here I guess.
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
Sorry, I meant the butcher. We've used some in southern Wisconsin when
our primary (Eickman's in Seward) was booked up.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:43:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
For shows? Just our local county fair. “Show” feed is about double the
price of “normal” feed and in the case of pigs, you have to pay more for a 80lb
show pig than it’s worth for meat at 300lbs……
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:53 AM
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Where do you go to?
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From: "James Howard" <ja...@litewire.net>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:38:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
I’ve got two show steers that we need to get scheduled for the butcher
shop in August. The place that I’d like to take them 15 minutes from me says
they’re booked through summer of 2021. I think they’re usually booked 4-6
months out but this is far past that. I’ve heard that others are starting to
get that way too. IF we are able to have a fair, I don’t need to worry about
the pigs since we can’t bring them home from the fair anyway so they go
straight to the butcher from there but if that’s cancelled then I have 3 of
those to figure out too.
I keep feeling like Lloyd Bridges in Airplane. I picked a BAD year to
let the kids start showing steers….. (for anyone not familiar with 4H, raising
and showing steers and pigs at the county fair is NOT a money making venture)
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
Time to get a new butcher, unless its a one man shop. Our 2 meat shops
are 2 weeks out on packages. Like they always have been.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:39 AM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org>
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Time to get your hunting attire out.
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From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:15:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
Just saw on FB that the butcher we use is booked up through the rest of
the year and aren't taking 2021 appointments until June 1st.
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From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:34:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
I recently bought some halal chicken thighs at the grocery store. They
were actually quite good, maybe a little larger than the typical Tyson or
Perdue ones, but more skillfully trimmed.
I suppose there’s no such thing as halal pork, though.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
Our farm recently started to put on a more public-facing presence. It
was slow going at first, but man has it really picked up speed now. If we can
keep 1/2 of the people coming back in a year, we'll be doing great. People are
loving the product. Five star Facebook reviews have been coming in.
But yeah, the local butchers to turn the animal into meat were already
backed up.
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From: "David Coudron" <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 6:09:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
I think what he is referring to is that there is an over abundance of
the product available to manufacture/distribute. I grew up as a farm kid and
when we were young, every farmer had pigs, beef cattle (we called them feeder
cattle) and dairy. Now, it has all moved to highly efficient, large
operations. Most farmers can’t make any money as a small dairy or hog
operation, and it is way too much work for what you can make. So everything
consolidated into large, efficient operations. As many know, they have been
dumping milk because they have to milk the cows, they cannot skip a rotation or
the cows get infections (mastitis). Same with the large pig operations.
They have pigs that are mature and have to moved out of the feed
lots/buildings. This is due to the cost of continuing to feed them, and the
need to make room for the smaller ones that are coming in regardless. So next
week back where I grew up, they are starting to shoot the pigs, and they’ll
have to bury them. So what is going to happen is that we will be killing pigs
and burying them, but there will be no meat on the shelves because of the meat
packing plant issue. I supposed it is more accurately called manufacturing
rather than distribution, however, I might argue feed and water are the raw
materials and the growing/finishing is the manufacturing, it is the long pole
in the tent for timing. Meat packing is a pretty short time period and it is
probably manufacturing, but only the tail end of it. It takes 6-9 months to
grow a hog to slaughter weight, and 3-5 days to get it to your table.
I am not commenting on whether his comments are right or wrong, but my
wager is that in two weeks meat will be the next toilet paper if it isn’t
already. As you said, I am not sure how well that will work to force them to
stay open, but things are going to get very nuts of we have 3-4 weeks of most
meat packing plants being closed. Of course most of the issue will be
over-reaction like the toilet paper thing.
Really sad to see farmers have to destroy finished hogs and stores with
no meat in them. But, like the sheetrock shortage 20 years ago, the
antifreeze shortage 15 years ago, the LCD screen shortage (whenever that was )
these highly consolidated, highly efficient, low margin supply chains don’t
deal with disruption very well. Not really anyone’s fault, but tough to see.
Regards,
David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com | Mobile: 612-991-7474
Advantenon, Inc.
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
So I was out all day today actually doing work, and now that I’m home I
see this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-plans-to-order-meat-processing-plants-to-stay-open-during-coronavirus/ar-BB13kBRq
I have no f’ing idea how that’s gonna play out.
Also the article quotes him as saying there’s plenty of supply, it’s a
distribution problem. I have to suspect the reporting got it wrong and he was
talking about milk or green beans or potatoes. Because I would not refer to a
slaughterhouse as “distribution”.
On a semi related note, with all the ethanol plants shutting down
because gas sales are down, why can I still not buy Purell? We should be
swimming in ethanol.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
"long pig" is different than ordinary pig...
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 4:26 PM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote:
Since when have pigs not been people?
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:57 PM
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I’m waiting for someone to start a Soylent Green conspiracy theory
about why there are thousands of infections at meat packing plants but we don’t
hear about lots of deaths.
Chuck is safe, though. His Vienna Sausages are new old stock. Made
the old fashioned way, from snouts and feet and tails and everything but the
squeal. But at least they’re not people!
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
when my dad was in korea during vietnam, he didnt question the source
of the "beef". but then again, he also drank booze that was made in a pit in
the ground that you had to strain the squiggly live things out of. So im pretty
sure a dog or cat with the kimchi wasnt any isue
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:54 PM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org>
wrote:
I've seen some things in China that would scar you for life what
they do to dogs/cats/animals. I guess when you are hungry you'll do anything.
Used to think it was cliche or just a joke about over there. Its not.
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To: "af" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:07:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Really Happened in Wuhan
So you’re saying the cat should have been pictured sitting in a
lunch box?
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
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To: af <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: What Really Happened in Wuhan
I don't think they keep cats as pets......
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From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:59:59 AM
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and Facebook will publish a thousand variations.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 4/28/2020 7:47 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
google will remove this truth from the internet
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
wrote:
Yes!
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