On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Up your nose with a rubber hose.
-Vinny Barbarino
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands
after any potential contact. You could stick your finger up an
infected person's nose, and as long as you washed your hands,
you are cool.
I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets
what I'm saying).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:
Depends upon what he touched on the outside. Anything the
customer may have sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a
deep heavy breath on could have enough of this nasty if he
didn't immediately sanitize after touching and getting back
into his vehicle and spreading it around. Touch his face
with an infected hand/glove and he's on the
merry-go-round.. Touch his truck and someone else touches
it.. Less likely but possible. 3-7 DAYS on metal surfaces
is really bad if not sanitized. Door bells are a bad
thing.. Gates are a bad thing..
On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no
closer than 10 feet to anyone, do you think the tech
should still quarantine for 14 days?
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Sean
Heskett
*Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
This is exactly why our company stopped all in person
customer interactions on March 16th.
Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then
your tech gets infected along with their whole family,
then the rest of your crew.
NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING INTO ANYONE ELSES HOUSE FOR A
COUPLE MONTHS.
We are only doing service calls if we can fix it from
the outside. Internet is not worth someone dying over!
-Sean
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Im so pissed right now. Tech had a No Line Of Site
wednesday. apparently customer got tested on,
positive result today. My guess would be he was
symptomatic wednesday if it was bad enough for a
test the next day. I fin out he was already on
quarantine wednesday, im going to probably lose my
stuff. He answered negative to the questionnaire.
The tech has been anal about this since day one. We
went no touch last monday officially. he had no
contact closer than 10 feet. Never went inside.
sanitizes constantly. But we have no choice but to
go down a tech for 14 day quarantine. We are closed
tomorrow for a video-conference to regroup. Tuesday
we will probably be sanitizing everything.
there is little to no chance the tech caught it. he
is writing down arrival to exit to help him
remember if there is any chance of contamination.
We have to try to get the health department to give
us clear guidance on company operations over the
next 2 weeks.
If this guy lied on the questionnaire ...... Ill
probably end up in jail. We have too much going on
to be a man down, much less a whole company down.
If he got my installer sick, and lied on the
questionnaire, kunkgflu will not be his primary
concern anymore
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
You can get around the paywall using the Brave
browser.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/12/2020 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Interesting long article in today’s New
York Times Sunday magazine on the case of
James Cai, a physician’s assistant and the
first coronavirus case in New Jersey.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, NYT, biased liberal elite
east coast mainstream media fake news … get
over it, this article is not political. I
am however reading the print version and
while I Googled for a link to the online
version it might be behind a paywall, or
maybe they will let you read a limited
number of articles free, I don’t know.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html
The story leaves you both hopeful and
pessimistic. He got some treatments other
than what the hospital wanted to use, but
only through extensive intervention from
doctor friends and people who read about
him online. He did recover. Some of the
nonstandard treatments may have worked.
But you or I probably wouldn’t have gotten
them. You realize how difficult it is to
get something like remdesivir given the
approvals needed. And the push to intubate
rather than have you breathe the virus on
hospital staff, even if it’s maybe not the
best treatment. And how doctors and
hospitals were slow to realize this disease
was different.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf
Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
Because the fda doesnt approve without the
trials, to avoid the liability. It's only
approved off label use, hence, zero liability
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:12 PM Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
There is an actual mechanism for the
FDA to avoid the liability, it's baked
into the system now. It's how the
friends got the treatment approved for
their daughters.
On 4/11/20 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
The FDA cant take the liability of
"approving" anything without full
trials. I dont blame them.
We let everyone sue everyone, we
did it to ourselves.
Same reason Fauci uses code words
to say the malaria drug works
without saying it works or setting
cnn off by agreeing with potus.
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM
Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
I can't believe I am still
hearing about "trials" on the
pre-existing
ebola treatment. Doctors are
talking about 2/3's of test
patients
recovering after 2-3 days after
administration. Seems like that
would be
a good enough "trial" to start
massively treating patients
instead of
20% survival.. What the heck is
the real story? I know someone
personally who fought the FDC
to get a treatment that
extended their
daughters lives for 5 years and
it was a nightmare. The conspiracy
part of me wants to scream...
On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:
> Yeah, I am starting to get
annoyed at the obsession with
having enough ventilators,
describing them as "life saving
equipment", leaving the
impression that most can be
saved if you can just put them
on a ventilator. Yet stats out
of NYC are 80% don't survive to
come off the ventilator. And
you have to wonder if the 20%
who do, did the vent actually
save them, or they would have
survived even with less
aggressive treatment.
>
> The news coverage leaves you
thinking most of the ICU
patients will be saved if
there's enough ventilators.
When in reality doctors and
nurses are risking their own
lives to treat ICU wards full
of intubated, sedated patients
most of whom will die because
they don't have an effective
treatment. Not a pretty story,
probably why nobody wants to
talk about it.
>
> There are trials of various
treatments going on, it would
be great if some of them turned
out to work. Not necessarily a
cure or a vaccine, but a
therapy so less people die.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, April 11,
2020 1:57 PM
> To: AFMUG <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on
COVID
>
>
> Saw this in our local paper
this morning. It's interesting
to me because it's bringing to
light the fact that COVID-19 is
apparently not what people are
dying from, it's the secondary
ARDS-like (Accute Respiratory
Distress Syndrome) condition.
There is also some debate
within the medical community
whether ventilators are helping
or hurting. Maybe what they
need to do is just supply oxygen.
>
> If this link doesn't work for
you, I can email the article.
>
>
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
>
>
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