I have two large gas tankless that serve different bathrooms and areas of the
house. Love them. But their heat exchangers will start leaking after 5 years
or so on our hard water.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
My plumber says the large electric tankless aren't worth having. I have 2 gas
units in series at my house. They work together to sense demand and fire up
when needed. We have the little tankless ones (3) at my shop and they work well.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
On the smaller units, if you want hotter water your turn down the flow.
From: Colin Stanners
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
I was looking into tankless water heaters for some personal projects...
electricity really doesn't get you much heat compared to gas options. At
standard faucet flow rate (2GPM) the below would have a temperature rise of
~15-20 degrees F. Real heat requirements are more in the range of 240V 60A+.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:37 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
120 volts 30 amps $153
Only needs 10 gauge wire.
https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-110120v-us3/i/G2958252/#specifications
You can do it Steve.
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
I put one in on bathroom sink at a central office once that was the
smallest one I have ever seen. 240 volts 15 amps.
https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-208240v-us9/i/G2203381/
$145 40 amps.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty
circuit. I see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be adequate
for a single sink.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
They are cheap and easy. The electric ones.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water
heater for the garage sink. The rest of the world has used them forever, not
sure why they have only recently become popular here. Even just for washing
the bird poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps.
For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory. I like the
foaming hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d still
wash my hands.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered
equipment will be placed in quarantine.
I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the purpose
is to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to work, grab
gear, grab van and go.
We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can
wash in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water because
there is so little use and our facility is so large the old plumbing will
destroy a standard hot water heater in short time.Its a constant battle keeping
the urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom with hot water near the living
quarters, but it requires traversing the whole place)
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom
at a fast food place anymore.
Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and
paper towels? I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against contracting
or spreading the virus. I guess liberal use of alcohol based hand sanitizer
would be the backup plan.
I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not
sure that’s true. Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and the
sink and toilet can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray cleaner.
Getting spread by clothes seems a very low probability scenario. Before I
worried about that, I’d be wiping equipment down with disinfecting wipes before
leaving them for the tech or getting them back, since those are hard surfaces
touched with your hands.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
So got an update
Anybody curious, this is for Illinois.
IDPH hotline 18008893931
option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms
Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than a
few minutes
If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for more
than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test
The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office
where a lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic
precautionary test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for more
than a few minutes. This place had another positive last week supposedly.
thankfully they are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding people that work
there.
Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot,
not fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the garage
and only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set up for
remote now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We would send the
work truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are already seeing an
increase in vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. Other tech will be
remote with his van in his garage. There is a large workbench in the garage
where inventory will be available for resupply. It will be lysol stocked at
night.
Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds and
all that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home.
I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as
minimal contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they wont
leave the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs and towers
for a while if its reasonable weight.
Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some
pauper approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that if the customer
comes outside, they are to get back in the work truck and if customer wont stop
approaching, just to leave the site, we will recover equipment later
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
You can pick your friends.
And you can pick your nose.
But you can’t pick your friend’s nose.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
Up your nose with a rubber hose.
-Vinny Barbarino
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands after
any potential contact. You could stick your finger up an infected person's
nose, and as long as you washed your hands, you are cool.
I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what I'm
saying).
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:
Depends upon what he touched on the outside. Anything the customer
may have sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a deep heavy breath on could
have enough of this nasty if he didn't immediately sanitize after touching and
getting back into his vehicle and spreading it around. Touch his face with an
infected hand/glove and he's on the merry-go-round.. Touch his truck and
someone else touches it.. Less likely but possible. 3-7 DAYS on metal
surfaces is really bad if not sanitized. Door bells are a bad thing.. Gates
are a bad thing..
On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no closer than
10 feet to anyone, do you think the tech should still quarantine for 14 days?
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
This is exactly why our company stopped all in person customer
interactions on March 16th.
Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then your tech
gets infected along with their whole family, then the rest of your crew.
NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING INTO ANYONE ELSES HOUSE FOR A COUPLE
MONTHS.
We are only doing service calls if we can fix it from the
outside. Internet is not worth someone dying over!
-Sean
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Im so pissed right now. Tech had a No Line Of Site wednesday.
apparently customer got tested on, positive result today. My guess would be he
was symptomatic wednesday if it was bad enough for a test the next day. I fin
out he was already on quarantine wednesday, im going to probably lose my stuff.
He answered negative to the questionnaire. The tech has been anal about this
since day one. We went no touch last monday officially. he had no contact
closer than 10 feet. Never went inside. sanitizes constantly. But we have no
choice but to go down a tech for 14 day quarantine. We are closed tomorrow for
a video-conference to regroup. Tuesday we will probably be sanitizing
everything.
there is little to no chance the tech caught it. he is writing
down arrival to exit to help him remember if there is any chance of
contamination.
We have to try to get the health department to give us clear
guidance on company operations over the next 2 weeks.
If this guy lied on the questionnaire ...... Ill probably end
up in jail. We have too much going on to be a man down, much less a whole
company down. If he got my installer sick, and lied on the questionnaire,
kunkgflu will not be his primary concern anymore
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
You can get around the paywall using the Brave browser.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 4/12/2020 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Interesting long article in today’s New York Times Sunday
magazine on the case of James Cai, a physician’s assistant and the first
coronavirus case in New Jersey.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, NYT, biased liberal elite east coast
mainstream media fake news … get over it, this article is not political. I am
however reading the print version and while I Googled for a link to the online
version it might be behind a paywall, or maybe they will let you read a limited
number of articles free, I don’t know.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html
The story leaves you both hopeful and pessimistic. He got
some treatments other than what the hospital wanted to use, but only through
extensive intervention from doctor friends and people who read about him
online. He did recover. Some of the nonstandard treatments may have worked.
But you or I probably wouldn’t have gotten them. You realize how difficult it
is to get something like remdesivir given the approvals needed. And the push
to intubate rather than have you breathe the virus on hospital staff, even if
it’s maybe not the best treatment. And how doctors and hospitals were slow to
realize this disease was different.
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
Because the fda doesnt approve without the trials, to avoid
the liability. It's only approved off label use, hence, zero liability
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:12 PM Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
There is an actual mechanism for the FDA to avoid the
liability, it's baked into the system now. It's how the friends got the
treatment approved for their daughters.
On 4/11/20 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
The FDA cant take the liability of "approving" anything
without full trials. I dont blame them.
We let everyone sue everyone, we did it to ourselves.
Same reason Fauci uses code words to say the malaria
drug works without saying it works or setting cnn off by agreeing with potus.
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on
the pre-existing
ebola treatment. Doctors are talking about 2/3's of
test patients
recovering after 2-3 days after administration. Seems
like that would be
a good enough "trial" to start massively treating
patients instead of
20% survival.. What the heck is the real story? I
know someone
personally who fought the FDC to get a treatment that
extended their
daughters lives for 5 years and it was a nightmare.
The conspiracy
part of me wants to scream...
On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession
with having enough ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment",
leaving the impression that most can be saved if you can just put them on a
ventilator. Yet stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive to come off the
ventilator. And you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did the vent actually
save them, or they would have survived even with less aggressive treatment.
>
> The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the
ICU patients will be saved if there's enough ventilators. When in reality
doctors and nurses are risking their own lives to treat ICU wards full of
intubated, sedated patients most of whom will die because they don't have an
effective treatment. Not a pretty story, probably why nobody wants to talk
about it.
>
> There are trials of various treatments going on, it
would be great if some of them turned out to work. Not necessarily a cure or a
vaccine, but a therapy so less people die.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of
Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: AFMUG <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
> Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's
interesting to me because it's bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is
apparently not what people are dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like
(Accute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate
within the medical community whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe
what they need to do is just supply oxygen.
>
> If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the
article.
>
>
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
>
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