On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Up your nose with a rubber hose.
-Vinny Barbarino
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands
after any potential contact. You could stick your finger up an
infected person's nose, and as long as you washed your hands, you
are cool.
I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what
I'm saying).
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote:
Depends upon what he touched on the outside. Anything the
customer may have sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a
deep heavy breath on could have enough of this nasty if he
didn't immediately sanitize after touching and getting back
into his vehicle and spreading it around. Touch his face
with an infected hand/glove and he's on the merry-go-round..
Touch his truck and someone else touches it.. Less likely
but possible. 3-7 DAYS on metal surfaces is really bad if
not sanitized. Door bells are a bad thing.. Gates are a
bad thing..
On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no
closer than 10 feet to anyone, do you think the tech
should still quarantine for 14 days?
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
This is exactly why our company stopped all in person
customer interactions on March 16th.
Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then your
tech gets infected along with their whole family, then
the rest of your crew.
NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING INTO ANYONE ELSES HOUSE FOR A
COUPLE MONTHS.
We are only doing service calls if we can fix it from the
outside. Internet is not worth someone dying over!
-Sean
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Im so pissed right now. Tech had a No Line Of Site
wednesday. apparently customer got tested on,
positive result today. My guess would be he was
symptomatic wednesday if it was bad enough for a test
the next day. I fin out he was already on quarantine
wednesday, im going to probably lose my stuff. He
answered negative to the questionnaire. The tech has
been anal about this since day one. We went no touch
last monday officially. he had no contact closer than
10 feet. Never went inside. sanitizes constantly. But
we have no choice but to go down a tech for 14 day
quarantine. We are closed tomorrow for a
video-conference to regroup. Tuesday we will probably
be sanitizing everything.
there is little to no chance the tech caught it. he
is writing down arrival to exit to help him
remember if there is any chance of contamination.
We have to try to get the health department to give
us clear guidance on company operations over the next
2 weeks.
If this guy lied on the questionnaire ...... Ill
probably end up in jail. We have too much going on to
be a man down, much less a whole company down. If he
got my installer sick, and lied on the questionnaire,
kunkgflu will not be his primary concern anymore
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You can get around the paywall using the Brave
browser.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/12/2020 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Interesting long article in today’s New York
Times Sunday magazine on the case of James
Cai, a physician’s assistant and the first
coronavirus case in New Jersey.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, NYT, biased liberal elite
east coast mainstream media fake news … get
over it, this article is not political. I am
however reading the print version and while I
Googled for a link to the online version it
might be behind a paywall, or maybe they will
let you read a limited number of articles
free, I don’t know.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html
The story leaves you both hopeful and
pessimistic. He got some treatments other
than what the hospital wanted to use, but
only through extensive intervention from
doctor friends and people who read about him
online. He did recover. Some of the
nonstandard treatments may have worked. But
you or I probably wouldn’t have gotten them.
You realize how difficult it is to get
something like remdesivir given the approvals
needed. And the push to intubate rather than
have you breathe the virus on hospital staff,
even if it’s maybe not the best treatment.
And how doctors and hospitals were slow to
realize this disease was different.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf
Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
Because the fda doesnt approve without the
trials, to avoid the liability. It's only
approved off label use, hence, zero liability
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:12 PM Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
There is an actual mechanism for the FDA
to avoid the liability, it's baked into
the system now. It's how the friends got
the treatment approved for their daughters.
On 4/11/20 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
The FDA cant take the liability of
"approving" anything without full
trials. I dont blame them.
We let everyone sue everyone, we did
it to ourselves.
Same reason Fauci uses code words to
say the malaria drug works without
saying it works or setting cnn off by
agreeing with potus.
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
I can't believe I am still
hearing about "trials" on the
pre-existing
ebola treatment. Doctors are
talking about 2/3's of test patients
recovering after 2-3 days after
administration. Seems like that
would be
a good enough "trial" to start
massively treating patients
instead of
20% survival.. What the heck is
the real story? I know someone
personally who fought the FDC to
get a treatment that extended their
daughters lives for 5 years and
it was a nightmare. The conspiracy
part of me wants to scream...
On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:
> Yeah, I am starting to get
annoyed at the obsession with
having enough ventilators,
describing them as "life saving
equipment", leaving the
impression that most can be saved
if you can just put them on a
ventilator. Yet stats out of NYC
are 80% don't survive to come off
the ventilator. And you have to
wonder if the 20% who do, did the
vent actually save them, or they
would have survived even with
less aggressive treatment.
>
> The news coverage leaves you
thinking most of the ICU patients
will be saved if there's enough
ventilators. When in reality
doctors and nurses are risking
their own lives to treat ICU
wards full of intubated, sedated
patients most of whom will die
because they don't have an
effective treatment. Not a
pretty story, probably why nobody
wants to talk about it.
>
> There are trials of various
treatments going on, it would be
great if some of them turned out
to work. Not necessarily a cure
or a vaccine, but a therapy so
less people die.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AF
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020
1:57 PM
> To: AFMUG <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
> Saw this in our local paper
this morning. It's interesting to
me because it's bringing to light
the fact that COVID-19 is
apparently not what people are
dying from, it's the secondary
ARDS-like (Accute Respiratory
Distress Syndrome) condition.
There is also some debate within
the medical community whether
ventilators are helping or
hurting. Maybe what they need to
do is just supply oxygen.
>
> If this link doesn't work for
you, I can email the article.
>
>
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
>
>
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