Yeah, you can clean them every year to help lengthen that time. We have hard water as well so I put in a water softener. I like it better anyway and I don't have to worry about that problem.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 4:18 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > I have two large gas tankless that serve different bathrooms and areas of > the house. Love them. But their heat exchangers will start leaking after > 5 years or so on our hard water. > > *From:* Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:48 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID > > My plumber says the large electric tankless aren't worth having. I have 2 > gas units in series at my house. They work together to sense demand and > fire up when needed. We have the little tankless ones (3) at my shop and > they work well. > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 3:46 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> On the smaller units, if you want hotter water your turn down the flow. >> >> *From:* Colin Stanners >> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:27 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >> >> I was looking into tankless water heaters for some personal projects... >> electricity really doesn't get you much heat compared to gas options. At >> standard faucet flow rate (2GPM) the below would have a temperature rise of >> ~15-20 degrees F. Real heat requirements are more in the range of 240V 60A+. >> >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:37 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> 120 volts 30 amps $153 >>> Only needs 10 gauge wire. >>> >>> https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-110120v-us3/i/G2958252/#specifications >>> >>> You can do it Steve. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com >>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:35 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >>> >>> I put one in on bathroom sink at a central office once that was the >>> smallest one I have ever seen. 240 volts 15 amps. >>> >>> https://www.zoro.com/bosch-electric-tankless-water-heater-208240v-us9/i/G2203381/ >>> $145 40 amps. >>> >>> *From:* Ken Hohhof >>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:24 PM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >>> >>> >>> Home Depot lists Rheem units under $300 but requires a pretty hefty >>> circuit. I see some smaller ones at Zoro that would probably still be >>> adequate for a single sink. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com >>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:18 PM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >>> >>> >>> >>> They are cheap and easy. The electric ones. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Ken Hohhof >>> >>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59 PM >>> >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >>> >>> >>> >>> When this is all over, maybe consider a point-of-use on-demand hot water >>> heater for the garage sink. The rest of the world has used them forever, >>> not sure why they have only recently become popular here. Even just for >>> washing the bird poop off reclaimed radios, a little hot water helps. >>> >>> >>> >>> For washing hands, I don’t think hot water is mandatory. I like the >>> foaming hand soaps in the pump bottles, if the only water was cold, I’d >>> still wash my hands. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:32 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >>> >>> >>> >>> Thats what I mean by lysol stocked, it will be sprayed down. Recovered >>> equipment will be placed in quarantine. >>> >>> >>> >>> I dont even know if we can legally shut down the bathroom, but the >>> purpose is to get the guys in and then out the door, poop at home, come to >>> work, grab gear, grab van and go. >>> >>> >>> >>> We dont have hot water, so wash station is about pointless, but they can >>> wash in the sink basin in the garage though. (we dont have hot water >>> because there is so little use and our facility is so large the old >>> plumbing will destroy a standard hot water heater in short time.Its a >>> constant battle keeping the urinal valve cleared. we do have a bathroom >>> with hot water near the living quarters, but it requires traversing the >>> whole place) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:20 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>> >>> No bathroom seems cruel, it’s not like you can stop and use the bathroom >>> at a fast food place anymore. >>> >>> >>> >>> Do you have a sink in the garage area for washing hands, with soap and >>> paper towels? I still view handwashing as my #1 protection against >>> contracting or spreading the virus. I guess liberal use of alcohol based >>> hand sanitizer would be the backup plan. >>> >>> >>> >>> I know the bathroom sounds like a risk for contamination, but I’m not >>> sure that’s true. Wash your hands before and after, use paper towels, and >>> the sink and toilet can be sanitized pretty easily with some Clorox spray >>> cleaner. Getting spread by clothes seems a very low probability scenario. >>> Before I worried about that, I’d be wiping equipment down with disinfecting >>> wipes before leaving them for the tech or getting them back, since those >>> are hard surfaces touched with your hands. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 1:01 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >>> >>> >>> >>> So got an update >>> >>> Anybody curious, this is for Illinois. >>> >>> IDPH hotline 18008893931 >>> >>> option 4 I was in contact with a positive case but have no symptoms >>> >>> Continue normal activity if contact was not within 6 feet for more than >>> a few minutes >>> >>> >>> >>> If there are no symptoms and there was not contact within 6 feet for >>> more than a few minutes an employer CANNOT facilitate an asymptomatic test >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The followup on the customer, Im not so mad now. He works in a office >>> where a lady tested positive, close proximity. So he was an asymptomatic >>> precautionary test, he met the criteria because he was within 6 feet for >>> more than a few minutes. This place had another positive last week >>> supposedly. thankfully they are closed for sanitation. We will be avoiding >>> people that work there. >>> >>> >>> >>> Given the issue, we are closing all our communal areas, no coffee pot, >>> not fridge, no restroom use. Primary installer will operate out of the >>> garage and only use the garage door, he wont enter the work area. hes set >>> up for remote now and will be on call when hes not actively on jobs. We >>> would send the work truck home but he doesnt have a garage and we are >>> already seeing an increase in vehicular burglary. Owner will stay remote. >>> Other tech will be remote with his van in his garage. There is a large >>> workbench in the garage where inventory will be available for resupply. It >>> will be lysol stocked at night. >>> >>> >>> >>> Im a dirty bastard so ill be using the primary workspace to do builds >>> and all that. if im not building or hanging, ill be home. >>> >>> >>> >>> I will have techs meet me on build sites as required. We will have as >>> minimal contact as is realistic. If its just 911 guy for tower work, they >>> wont leave the vehicle. We will go back to me humping stuff up grain legs >>> and towers for a while if its reasonable weight. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank god we dont have to shut stuff down for 2 weeks every time some >>> pauper approaches us. Techs were given clear instruction that if the >>> customer comes outside, they are to get back in the work truck and if >>> customer wont stop approaching, just to leave the site, we will recover >>> equipment later >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:39 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>> You can pick your friends. >>> >>> And you can pick your nose. >>> >>> But you can’t pick your friend’s nose. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Up your nose with a rubber hose. >>> >>> -Vinny Barbarino >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:43 PM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >>> >>> >>> >>> Doesn't matter what you touch as long as you wash your hands after any >>> potential contact. You could stick your finger up an infected person's >>> nose, and as long as you washed your hands, you are cool. >>> >>> I am not advocating that (just in case someone misinterprets what I'm >>> saying). >>> >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/12/2020 2:56 PM, Robert wrote: >>> >>> Depends upon what he touched on the outside. Anything the customer may >>> have sneezed/coughed/touched spit even took a deep heavy breath on could >>> have enough of this nasty if he didn't immediately sanitize after touching >>> and getting back into his vehicle and spreading it around. Touch his face >>> with an infected hand/glove and he's on the merry-go-round.. Touch his >>> truck and someone else touches it.. Less likely but possible. 3-7 DAYS >>> on metal surfaces is really bad if not sanitized. Door bells are a bad >>> thing.. Gates are a bad thing.. >>> >>> On 4/12/20 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no closer than 10 feet >>> to anyone, do you think the tech should still quarantine for 14 days? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett >>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >>> >>> >>> >>> This is exactly why our company stopped all in person customer >>> interactions on March 16th. >>> >>> >>> >>> Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then your tech gets >>> infected along with their whole family, then the rest of your crew. >>> >>> >>> >>> NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING INTO ANYONE ELSES HOUSE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS. >>> >>> >>> >>> We are only doing service calls if we can fix it from the outside. >>> Internet is not worth someone dying over! >>> >>> >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Im so pissed right now. Tech had a No Line Of Site wednesday. apparently >>> customer got tested on, positive result today. My guess would be he was >>> symptomatic wednesday if it was bad enough for a test the next day. I fin >>> out he was already on quarantine wednesday, im going to probably lose my >>> stuff. He answered negative to the questionnaire. The tech has been anal >>> about this since day one. We went no touch last monday officially. he had >>> no contact closer than 10 feet. Never went inside. sanitizes constantly. >>> But we have no choice but to go down a tech for 14 day quarantine. We are >>> closed tomorrow for a video-conference to regroup. Tuesday we will probably >>> be sanitizing everything. >>> >>> there is little to no chance the tech caught it. he is writing down >>> arrival to exit to help him remember if there is any chance of >>> contamination. >>> >>> We have to try to get the health department to give us clear guidance on >>> company operations over the next 2 weeks. >>> >>> If this guy lied on the questionnaire ...... Ill probably end up in >>> jail. We have too much going on to be a man down, much less a whole company >>> down. If he got my installer sick, and lied on the questionnaire, kunkgflu >>> will not be his primary concern anymore >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> You can get around the paywall using the Brave browser. >>> >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/12/2020 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Interesting long article in today’s New York Times Sunday magazine on >>> the case of James Cai, a physician’s assistant and the first coronavirus >>> case in New Jersey. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, NYT, biased liberal elite east coast mainstream media >>> fake news … get over it, this article is not political. I am however >>> reading the print version and while I Googled for a link to the online >>> version it might be behind a paywall, or maybe they will let you read a >>> limited number of articles free, I don’t know. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html >>> >>> >>> >>> The story leaves you both hopeful and pessimistic. He got some >>> treatments other than what the hospital wanted to use, but only through >>> extensive intervention from doctor friends and people who read about him >>> online. He did recover. Some of the nonstandard treatments may have >>> worked. But you or I probably wouldn’t have gotten them. You realize how >>> difficult it is to get something like remdesivir given the approvals >>> needed. And the push to intubate rather than have you breathe the virus on >>> hospital staff, even if it’s maybe not the best treatment. And how doctors >>> and hospitals were slow to realize this disease was different. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:43 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >>> >>> >>> >>> Because the fda doesnt approve without the trials, to avoid the >>> liability. It's only approved off label use, hence, zero liability >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:12 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: >>> >>> There is an actual mechanism for the FDA to avoid the liability, it's >>> baked into the system now. It's how the friends got the treatment approved >>> for their daughters. >>> >>> On 4/11/20 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>> The FDA cant take the liability of "approving" anything without full >>> trials. I dont blame them. >>> >>> >>> >>> We let everyone sue everyone, we did it to ourselves. >>> >>> >>> >>> Same reason Fauci uses code words to say the malaria drug works without >>> saying it works or setting cnn off by agreeing with potus. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: >>> >>> I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on the pre-existing >>> ebola treatment. Doctors are talking about 2/3's of test patients >>> recovering after 2-3 days after administration. Seems like that would be >>> a good enough "trial" to start massively treating patients instead of >>> 20% survival.. What the heck is the real story? I know someone >>> personally who fought the FDC to get a treatment that extended their >>> daughters lives for 5 years and it was a nightmare. The conspiracy >>> part of me wants to scream... >>> >>> On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> > Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough >>> ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the >>> impression that most can be saved if you can just put them on a >>> ventilator. Yet stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive to come off the >>> ventilator. And you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did the vent >>> actually save them, or they would have survived even with less aggressive >>> treatment. >>> > >>> > The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be >>> saved if there's enough ventilators. When in reality doctors and nurses >>> are risking their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated >>> patients most of whom will die because they don't have an effective >>> treatment. Not a pretty story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it. >>> > >>> > There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if >>> some of them turned out to work. Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but >>> a therapy so less people die. >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince >>> > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM >>> > To: AFMUG <af@af.afmug.com> >>> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID >>> > >>> > >>> > Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me >>> because it's bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not >>> what people are dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like (Accute >>> Respiratory Distress Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within >>> the medical community whether ventilators are helping or hurting. 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