If you figure out a solution to the belief that beliefs trump facts, please let all of us know so we can help apply the fix.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:36 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > If you know someone who doesn’t understand why canceled events and > self-quarantines save lives, here’s a good explainer, with all facts and no > politics: > > > https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation > > > > (yes, I know some people think facts are political, but I don’t have an > answer to that) > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:26 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus > > > > You are much kinder...I call the top politicians on this response > completely inept. You can't frickin tweet this away. > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 5:46 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > I just watched the news conference on the TV. > > IMHO, VP Pence and the medical experts did a decent job, except when Pence > had to engage in ritual sucking up to his boss. > > But it seems like the adults are mostly in charge and hopefully will do > the right things going forward regarding the virus response. > > It doesn’t seem like Pence is throwing roadblocks in the way of the > experts or censoring them for political gain. > > The first few weeks, I don’t think that was true. > > As far as efforts to boost the stock market, well, good luck with that. > > Note sure a payroll tax cut will help people who get furloughed, or gig > workers who can’t work. > > Best thing for the stock market is probably an effective plan for virus > mitigation and control. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Robert > *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 6:23 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus > > > > tl:dr, WHO did a pretty good job characterizing it in China... > > > > https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb&fbclid=IwAR200tfVJTj399ew-ebr4m9hNnrJ4XUt37ga6b-lPQyRsbIWndMS3PMMjsw&_branch_match_id=745183492132993440 > > On 3/9/20 2:48 PM, James Howard wrote: > > That’s why we need a one world government. Efficiency should be able to > be improved to the point they can engineer a new pandemic every 6 months > then. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 3:02 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus > > > > I dont think you read my statement. The reason we have some new "pandemic" > every 2 or so years is thats about how long it takes for the government to > engineer the new virus > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:55 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm not. Anthony Fauci stated that they can get a vaccine prototyped in a > few months, but it would take at least a year, and maybe up to two before > it could be administered to the general public. By that time, we will be on > the great-great-great (insert however many greats you would like) > grandchildren of the current coronavirus. > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 3/9/2020 12:40 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > Guys, youre way over estimating the speed at which the government is able > to engineer new variants of each virus > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:40 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > That's different from the information I had been given. I'd heard the > issue with the coronavirus is that it mutates very rapidly, so that a > vaccine for today's coronavirus will be obsolete after the next mutation or > two. One of the reasons the common cold still has not got a vaccine; too > many targets. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 3/9/2020 12:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > I was just reading that with coronaviruses, unlike rhinoviruses, immunity > only lasts 1-2 years and that with the “common cold” people get the same > strain again sometimes within a year. > > > > So assuming they develop a vaccine, I guess we’ll have to get our “flu > shots” every year in the future. > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf > Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 1:28 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus > > > > She has built a nuclear weapon, or is studying Sanskrit or has converted > to Hinduism. > > Knowing you, I would bet on the first one. > > > > *From:* Steve Jones > > *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus > > > > My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild symptoms for 2 months now, i > bet shes a carrier since all the other tests, even mono came back > negative... she may even be patient zero. Last night she came to me and > said "Daddy, I love you, but I am become death, destroyer of worlds" I dont > know what that means, but im taking her lab down tonite > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > I doubt most would think to go get a test if they had the mild symptoms > that I have been reading about. > > > > *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies > > *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus > > > > Testing should ramp up. CDC test kits are not the only test in town. As > of today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing > capabilities. This means any doctor can now do a swab and send it off to > either of these labs just like any other test they do. There should be no > reason for no testing now. > > > https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test > > > https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19 > > > -- > Best regards, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com> > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > ------ > > Monday, March 9, 2020, 12:24:15 PM, you wrote: > > There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total tests to > date in the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South Korea is doing 10,000 > per day. The test kits are only starting to be distributed in the US. They > might have substantial numbers of kits sometime next week. > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > 10 > > There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that > asymptomatic people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what > type of testing was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A > nasal swab just indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA > VIRUS!!! headline a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was > pointed out that the dog didnt test positive, the dog never had it, it was > just present in the swab as an environmental contaminate. If a swab of a > door handle shows it present, we dont say the door handle has it, because > it doesnt, its simply on the door handle > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that > tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and > those people are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of > people running around with it. That also means that the death rate is > probably way, way lower than we've been made to believe. > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know they were sick, > of that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the flu or a cold. of > the remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise infirm and > standard outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area probably > 10,000 people got the flu, and 100 of them died > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning: > > > > > > *Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London > School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about > how people should look at the coronavirus data.One signal Dr. Kucharski > looks for is when the first case in an area is a death: “That suggests you > had a lot of community transmission already,” he said.“Suppose the fatality > rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is plausible,” he explained. “If > you’ve got a death, then that person probably became ill about three weeks > ago. That means you probably had about 100 cases three weeks ago, in > reality.”“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could > well have doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently > looking at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”*My corollary on the above is > that if we have that many cases in a community, then a lot of people are > running around with no clue that they have been infected. > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is > to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait > for a vaccine (no, not imminent). Messaging has not quite caught up with > this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out. > > Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe. Wash your hands, and use > the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere. Maybe take a > thermometer. > > And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak. Didn’t > you just get indoor plumbing last year? > > > *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On > Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com > <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus > > Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was > in the car behind this lady and we "exposed" > So that equates to "its here in town now" > I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from > her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the > mean time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the > hospital because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every > germ known to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers, > dirty filthy cesspools of disease. > The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it home. > Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be riding bareback on > cold viruses after inbreeding with mersa and riding through a puddle of c. > Diff. > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) < > li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > > Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying: > > 1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in a hospital with > something looking like nCov and which got tested. We don't currently know > how many people have it but didn't get tested and as such isn't counted as > an infected person. As we improve our testing ability, we'll find more > cases which aren't hospitalization (and possible subsequent death) cases, > pushing the rate lower. > > 2) Because we are testing more we'll also be able to tell that some of the > cases that we aren't attributing to nCov are actually nCov cases, pushing > the rate higher. > > Does that describe what you're saying? > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Matt Hoppes < > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > > More people being tested means two things: > > 1) the death rate goes way down > 2) the death rate goes way up, because we currently have folks dying of > pneumonia that wasn’t the flu. > > > On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:30 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com> > wrote: > > > > I'm going to Disney World this coming Friday. Went into town this > > weekend, stopped by 5-6 stores including lunch out. I have an > > employee going on a cruise next week. > > > > We have had two confirmed cases in our county. > > > > It is what it is, I'm not going to hide under a rock. Let's keep this > > in perspective. Currently the total infection rate per 1 million in > > the US is 1.6. S. Korea has the highest infection rate at 144 per > > million. That infection rate not death rate. Death rate is even > > lower. > > > > If you are under 50 years old, your death chances are under 0.5%. > > > > It is going to go up. Now that both Quest Labs and Labcorp are both > > doing testing, more people will get tested. More people getting > > tested, means more people being counted as a case. > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com> > > > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > > www.Myakka.com > > > > ------ > > > > Sunday, March 8, 2020, 9:51:23 PM, you wrote: > > > > MH> You’re really making light of this serious situation aren’t you? > > > >>> On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> --000000000000216fbc05a061e421 > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >>> > >>> welp, guys, was nice knowing you. An amtrak train had apparently > stopped in > >>> my town with an infected passenger. Thats the end of that. Already > took the > >>> family out to the garden and put them down, now I just wait for sweet > death. > >>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Might want to switch to peeing on them to avoid spreading anything. > >>>> According to the news stories droplets of saliva and rubbing your > eyes are > >>>> the ways it gets spread. Urine might give you even more dominance > than > >>>> spit anyway. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> *From:* A > > > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > - Forrest > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > > *Total Control Panel* > > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> > > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain afmug.com <http://afmug.com> > is on your allow list.* > > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- - Forrest
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