Lol,China. There is no way there to know who caught it from whom. Same
example as the pencil, only on a much much larger scale. Members of the
same families probably caught it multiple places
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 8:42 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not true. The Chinese have documented this. They have documented cases of
> people who tested positive w/o symptoms and their relatives got sick.
>
> Kissy kissy.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 3/10/2020 6:30 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> There are no documented asymptomatic transmissions, fyi. Just assumptive
> transmissions.. John is married to Mary, Mary got sick, John tested
> positive, ie john must have given it to Mary because john works with a guy
> who had it. Except nobody bothers to note that john brought home a pen from
> work that both he and mary use. Quan boy jin at work, who had it, wrote a
> note to john at his desk. Quan doesn't wash his hands or sneeze into his
> shoulder
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 8:21 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The difference is the fatality rate. While 12,469 deaths sounds horrible,
>> it only amounts to a 0.02% fatality rate (assuming the 60 million infection
>> number).
>>
>> As far as we know (until we get better numbers on the total number of
>> cases, nCOV is hitting right around 3.4 to 3.6 % fatal. If that rate holds,
>> nCOV is 175X more fatal than H1N1.
>>
>> If you look at *JUST* Italy, their rate so far is around 6%. That would
>> be 300X more fatal than H1N1.
>>
>> However, if we ever get a handle on the number of infections, nCOV could
>> be a lot lower. The big bugaboo right now is that we seem to have a lot of
>> people running around as asymptomatic carriers. They infect a lot of the
>> people they touch and they don't even know they've got it. If that number
>> is huge, then the fatality rate "could" be a lot lower. The people who
>> study this seem to think we're going to end up in the 1-2 percent range for
>> nCOV, but no one really knows. If the number ends up being closer to 1%, it
>> would still be 50X worse than H1N1.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 3/10/2020 6:08 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>>
>> I'll be the first to admit my memory isn't the best. But we have been
>> down this road before. I do recall H1N1 as a distant memory. So, I
>> googled it to jog my memory. H1N1 happen in 2009. When all was said and
>> done per the CDC "From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated
>> there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304
>> hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range:
>> 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus."
>>
>> Some observations between then and now
>>
>> 1. I don't recall wide spread panic. I'm I just not remembering the run
>> on toilet paper, cleaners, H2O, etc. I'm sure there were some functions
>> cancelled and sporadic school closures, but did schools like Harvard cancel
>> classes?
>>
>> 2. Social media wasn't a big thing back then. Didn't have 10's of
>> thousands of social media experts telling us what to think.
>>
>> 3. Politics. H1N1 happened right after Obama was elected. Right or left
>> leading, you have to admit he was still in his honeymoon period. He could
>> do no wrong. Press was VERY much on his side. Hell, he even got a Nobel
>> Peace prize in 2009. Compare that to now. Election year. Press hates the
>> current president. Economy needs to be destroyed.
>>
>>
>> How did we survive back then? CDC reports over 350,000 people world wide
>> died due to H1N1. Is this virus that much worst than H1N1?
>>
>>
>> https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com>
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> ------
>>
>> Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 7:32:33 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> If you figure out a solution to the belief that beliefs trump facts,
>> please let all of us know so we can help apply the fix.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:36 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you know someone who doesn’t understand why canceled events and
>> self-quarantines save lives, here’s a good explainer, with all facts and no
>> politics:
>>
>> https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation
>>
>> (yes, I know some people think facts are political, but I don’t have an
>> answer to that)
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:26 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>> You are much kinder...I call the top politicians on this response
>> completely inept. You can't frickin tweet this away.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 5:46 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just watched the news conference on the TV.
>> IMHO, VP Pence and the medical experts did a decent job, except when
>> Pence had to engage in ritual sucking up to his boss.
>> But it seems like the adults are mostly in charge and hopefully will do
>> the right things going forward regarding the virus response.
>> It doesn’t seem like Pence is throwing roadblocks in the way of the
>> experts or censoring them for political gain.
>> The first few weeks, I don’t think that was true.
>> As far as efforts to boost the stock market, well, good luck with that.
>> Note sure a payroll tax cut will help people who get furloughed, or gig
>> workers who can’t work.
>> Best thing for the stock market is probably an effective plan for virus
>> mitigation and control.
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Robert
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 6:23 PM
>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>> tl:dr, WHO did a pretty good job characterizing it in China...
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb&fbclid=IwAR200tfVJTj399ew-ebr4m9hNnrJ4XUt37ga6b-lPQyRsbIWndMS3PMMjsw&_branch_match_id=745183492132993440
>> On 3/9/20 2:48 PM, James Howard wrote:
>>
>> That’s why we need a one world government. Efficiency should be able to
>> be improved to the point they can engineer a new pandemic every 6 months
>> then.
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 3:02 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> <af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>> I dont think you read my statement. The reason we have some new
>> "pandemic" every 2 or so years is thats about how long it takes for the
>> government to engineer the new virus
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:55 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not. Anthony Fauci stated that they can get a vaccine prototyped in a
>> few months, but it would take at least a year, and maybe up to two before
>> it could be administered to the general public. By that time, we will be on
>> the great-great-great (insert however many greats you would like)
>> grandchildren of the current coronavirus.
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 3/9/2020 12:40 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> Guys, youre way over estimating the speed at which the government is able
>> to engineer new variants of each virus
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:40 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's different from the information I had been given. I'd heard the
>> issue with the coronavirus is that it mutates very rapidly, so that a
>> vaccine for today's coronavirus will be obsolete after the next mutation or
>> two. One of the reasons the common cold still has not got a vaccine; too
>> many targets.
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 3/9/2020 12:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I was just reading that with coronaviruses, unlike rhinoviruses, immunity
>> only lasts 1-2 years and that with the “common cold” people get the same
>> strain again sometimes within a year.
>>
>> So assuming they develop a vaccine, I guess we’ll have to get our “flu
>> shots” every year in the future.
>>
>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On
>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 1:28 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> <af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>> She has built a nuclear weapon, or is studying Sanskrit or has converted
>> to Hinduism.
>> Knowing you, I would bet on the first one.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>> My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild symptoms for 2 months now,
>> i bet shes a carrier since all the other tests, even mono came back
>> negative... she may even be patient zero. Last night she came to me and
>> said "Daddy, I love you, but I am become death, destroyer of worlds" I dont
>> know what that means, but im taking her lab down tonite
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> I doubt most would think to go get a test if they had the mild symptoms
>> that I have been reading about.
>>
>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>> Testing should ramp up. CDC test kits are not the only test in town. As
>> of today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing
>> capabilities. This means any doctor can now do a swab and send it off to
>> either of these labs just like any other test they do. There should be no
>> reason for no testing now.
>>
>>
>> https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test
>>
>>
>> https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com>
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> ------
>>
>> Monday, March 9, 2020, 12:24:15 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total tests to
>> date in the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South Korea is doing 10,000
>> per day. The test kits are only starting to be distributed in the US. They
>> might have substantial numbers of kits sometime next week.
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> 10
>>
>> There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that
>> asymptomatic people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what
>> type of testing was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A
>> nasal swab just indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA
>> VIRUS!!! headline a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was
>> pointed out that the dog didnt test positive, the dog never had it, it was
>> just present in the swab as an environmental contaminate. If a swab of a
>> door handle shows it present, we dont say the door handle has it, because
>> it doesnt, its simply on the door handle
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that
>> tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and
>> those people are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of
>> people running around with it. That also means that the death rate is
>> probably way, way lower than we've been made to believe.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know they were sick,
>> of that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the flu or a cold. of
>> the remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise infirm and
>> standard outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area probably
>> 10,000 people got the flu, and 100 of them died
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London
>> School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about
>> how people should look at the coronavirus data. One signal Dr. Kucharski
>> looks for is when the first case in an area is a death: “That suggests you
>> had a lot of community transmission already,” he said. “Suppose the
>> fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is plausible,” he
>> explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably became ill
>> about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100 cases three
>> weeks ago, in reality.” “In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that
>> number could well have doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re
>> currently looking at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.” *My corollary on the
>> above is that if we have that many cases in a community, then a lot of
>> people are running around with no clue that they have been infected.
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is
>> to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait
>> for a vaccine (no, not imminent). Messaging has not quite caught up with
>> this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.
>>
>> Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe. Wash your hands, and use
>> the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere. Maybe take a
>> thermometer.
>>
>> And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.
>> Didn’t you just get indoor plumbing last year?
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>*On
>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> <af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>> Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was
>> in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"
>> So that equates to "its here in town now"
>> I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from
>> her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the
>> mean time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the
>> hospital because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every
>> germ known to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers,
>> dirty filthy cesspools of disease.
>> The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it
>> home. Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be riding bareback
>> on cold viruses after inbreeding with mersa and riding through a puddle of
>> c. Diff.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:
>>
>> 1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in a hospital with
>> something looking like nCov and which got tested. We don't currently know
>> how many people have it but didn't get tested and as such isn't counted as
>> an infected person. As we improve our testing ability, we'll find more
>> cases which aren't hospitalization (and possible subsequent death) cases,
>> pushing the rate lower.
>>
>> 2) Because we are testing more we'll also be able to tell that some of
>> the cases that we aren't attributing to nCov are actually nCov cases,
>> pushing the rate higher.
>>
>> Does that describe what you're saying?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>> More people being tested means two things:
>>
>> 1) the death rate goes way down
>> 2) the death rate goes way up, because we currently have folks dying of
>> pneumonia that wasn’t the flu.
>>
>> > On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:30 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm going to Disney World this coming Friday. Went into town this
>> > weekend, stopped by 5-6 stores including lunch out. I have an
>> > employee going on a cruise next week.
>> >
>> > We have had two confirmed cases in our county.
>> >
>> > It is what it is, I'm not going to hide under a rock. Let's keep this
>> > in perspective. Currently the total infection rate per 1 million in
>> > the US is 1.6. S. Korea has the highest infection rate at 144 per
>> > million. That infection rate not death rate. Death rate is even
>> > lower.
>> >
>> > If you are under 50 years old, your death chances are under 0.5%.
>> >
>> > It is going to go up. Now that both Quest Labs and Labcorp are both
>> > doing testing, more people will get tested. More people getting
>> > tested, means more people being counted as a case.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best regards,
>> > Mark mailto: <m...@mailmt.com>
>> m...@mailmt.com
>> >
>> > Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> > www.Myakka.com
>> >
>> > ------
>> >
>> > Sunday, March 8, 2020, 9:51:23 PM, you wrote:
>> >
>> > MH> You’re really making light of this serious situation aren’t you?
>> >
>> >>> On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> --000000000000216fbc05a061e421
>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >>>
>> >>> welp, guys, was nice knowing you. An amtrak train had apparently
>> stopped in
>> >>> my town with an infected passenger. Thats the end of that. Already
>> took the
>> >>> family out to the garden and put them down, now I just wait for sweet
>> death.
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Might want to switch to peeing on them to avoid spreading anything.
>> >>>> According to the news stories droplets of saliva and rubbing your
>> eyes are
>> >>>> the ways it gets spread. Urine might give you even more dominance
>> than
>> >>>> spit anyway.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> *From:* A
>> >
>> >
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