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If you figure out a solution
to the belief that beliefs trump facts, please
let all of us know so we can help apply the fix.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:36 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
wrote:
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If you know someone
who doesn’t understand why canceled
events and self-quarantines save lives,
here’s a good explainer, with all facts
and no politics:
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation
(yes, I know some
people think facts are political, but I
don’t have an answer to that)
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:26
PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
You are much kinder...I call the top
politicians on this response completely
inept. You can't frickin tweet this
away.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 5:46 PM Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
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I just
watched the news conference on
the TV.
IMHO, VP Pence and the medical
experts did a decent job, except
when Pence had to engage in
ritual sucking up to his boss.
But it seems like the adults are
mostly in charge and hopefully
will do the right things going
forward regarding the virus
response.
It doesn’t seem like Pence is
throwing roadblocks in the way
of the experts or censoring them
for political gain.
The first few weeks, I don’t
think that was true.
As far as efforts to boost the
stock market, well, good luck
with that.
Note sure a payroll tax cut will
help people who get furloughed,
or gig workers who can’t work.
Best thing for the stock market
is probably an effective plan
for virus mitigation and
control.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On
Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Monday, March 9,
2020 6:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
tl:dr, WHO did a pretty good
job characterizing it in
China...
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb&fbclid=IwAR200tfVJTj399ew-ebr4m9hNnrJ4XUt37ga6b-lPQyRsbIWndMS3PMMjsw&_branch_match_id=745183492132993440
On 3/9/20
2:48 PM, James Howard wrote:
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That’s why we need a one world
government. Efficiency
should be able to be
improved to the point
they can engineer a new
pandemic every 6 months
then.
From:
AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent: Monday,
March 9, 2020 3:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] OT Virus
I dont think you read my
statement. The reason we
have some new "pandemic"
every 2 or so years is
thats about how long it
takes for the government
to engineer the new
virus
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at
2:55 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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I'm not.
Anthony Fauci
stated that they
can get a
vaccine
prototyped in a
few months, but
it would take at
least a year,
and maybe up to
two before it
could be
administered to
the general
public. By that
time, we will be
on the
great-great-great
(insert however
many greats you
would like)
grandchildren of
the current
coronavirus.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2020
12:40 PM, Steve
Jones wrote:
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Guys,
youre way over
estimating the
speed at which
the government
is able to
engineer new
variants of
each virus
On Mon, Mar 9,
2020 at 2:40
PM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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That's
different from
the
information I
had been
given. I'd
heard the
issue with the
coronavirus is
that it
mutates very
rapidly, so
that a vaccine
for today's
coronavirus
will be
obsolete after
the next
mutation or
two. One of
the reasons
the common
cold still has
not got a
vaccine; too
many targets.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2020
12:12 PM, Ken
Hohhof wrote:
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I
was just
reading that
with
coronaviruses,
unlike
rhinoviruses,
immunity only
lasts 1-2
years and that
with the
“common cold”
people get the
same strain
again
sometimes
within a year.
So assuming
they develop a
vaccine, I
guess we’ll
have to get
our “flu
shots” every
year in the
future.
From:
AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On
Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 1:28 PM
To:
AnimalFarm
Microwave
Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
She has built
a nuclear
weapon, or is
studying
Sanskrit or
has converted
to Hinduism.
Knowing you, I
would bet on
the first one.
From:
Steve Jones
Sent:
Monday, March
9, 2020 10:52
AM
To:
AnimalFarm
Microwave
Users Group
Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] OT
Virus
My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild
symptoms for 2
months now, i
bet shes a
carrier since
all the other
tests, even
mono came back
negative...
she may even
be patient
zero. Last
night she came
to me and said
"Daddy, I love
you, but I am
become death,
destroyer of
worlds" I dont
know what that
means, but im
taking her lab
down tonite
On Mon, Mar 9,
2020 at 11:45
AM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
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I
doubt most
would think to
go get a test
if they had
the mild
symptoms that
I have been
reading about.
From:
Mark - Myakka
Technologies
Sent:
Monday, March
9, 2020 10:36
AM
To:
AnimalFarm
Microwave
Users Group
Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] OT
Virus
Testing should ramp up. CDC test kits are not the
only test in
town. As of
today both
Labcorp and
Qwest
Diagnostics
have their own
testing
capabilities.
This means
any doctor can
now do a swab
and send it
off to either
of these labs
just like any
other test
they do.
There should
be no reason
for no testing
now.
https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test
https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19
--
Best regards,
Mark
mailto:m...@mailmt.com
Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com
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Monday, March
9, 2020,
12:24:15 PM,
you wrote:
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There
has not really
been any
testing at all
in the US.
Total tests to
date in the US
is fewer than
5000. By
contrast South
Korea is doing
10,000 per
day. The test
kits are only
starting to be
distributed in
the US. They
might have
substantial
numbers of
kits sometime
next week.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2020
9:12 AM, Steve
Jones wrote:
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There has been
no
confirmation
outside the
media
conjecture
that
asymptomatic
people can
spread it. Im
curious, and
too lazy to
look, what
type of
testing was
done on them,
was it a nasal
swab, or a
blood test. A
nasal swab
just indicates
exposure.
Remember the
DOG INFECTED
WITH CORONA
VIRUS!!!
headline a
couple weeks
ago? Yeah, it
died down when
it was pointed
out that the
dog didnt test
positive, the
dog never had
it, it was
just present
in the swab as
an
environmental
contaminate.
If a swab of a
door handle
shows it
present, we
dont say the
door handle
has it,
because it
doesnt, its
simply on the
door handle
On Mon, Mar 9,
2020 at 10:17
AM Mathew
Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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I
read that half
of the people
on the Diamond
Princess
cruise ship
that tested
positive for
the virus
didn't have
symptoms... if
that's true,
and those
people are
able to spread
it, there are
almost
certainly a
LOT of people
running around
with it. That
also means
that the death
rate is
probably way,
way lower than
we've been
made to
believe.
On Mon, Mar 9,
2020 at 10:13
AM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Id
agree there,
of the 1000
probably 250
didnt even
know they were
sick, of that
remaining 750
probably 650
thought they
had the flu or
a cold. of the
remaining 100,
most of them
were elderly
or otherwise
infirm and
standard
outcomes would
apply. In the
mean time, in
that area
probably
10,000 people
got the flu,
and 100 of
them died
On Mon, Mar 9,
2020 at 10:01
AM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Interesting
tidbit from
the NYT this
morning:
Adam
Kucharski, who
studies the
math behind
outbreaks for
the London
School of
Hygiene and
Tropical
Medicine,
recently
talked to The
Times about
how people
should look at
the
coronavirus
data.
One signal Dr.
Kucharski
looks for is
when the first
case in an
area is a
death: “That
suggests you
had a lot of
community
transmission
already,” he
said.
“Suppose the
fatality rate
for cases is
about 1
percent, which
is plausible,”
he explained.
“If you’ve got
a death, then
that person
probably
became ill
about three
weeks ago.
That means you
probably had
about 100
cases three
weeks ago, in
reality.”
“In that
subsequent
three weeks,”
he added,
“that number
could well
have doubled,
then doubled,
then doubled
again. So
you’re
currently
looking at 500
cases, maybe
1,000 cases.”
My
corollary on
the above is
that if we
have that many
cases in a
community,
then a lot of
people are
running around
with no clue
that they have
been infected.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/9/2020
6:16 AM, Ken
Hohhof wrote:
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We
have moved
from
containment to
community
mitigation,
where the goal
is to flatten
the curve and
avoid
overloading
the healthcare
system, and
wait for a
vaccine (no,
not imminent).
Messaging has
not quite
caught up with
this reality,
but if you
listen to Dr.
Anthony Fauci
you can figure
it out.
Those of you
going to
WISPAmerica,
stay safe.
Wash your
hands, and use
the hand
sanitizer that
I assume will
be everywhere.
Maybe take a
thermometer.
And Steve, I’m
shocked,
shocked to
hear that your
town has
Amtrak.
Didn’t you
just get
indoor
plumbing last
year?
From:
AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.comOn
Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent:
Monday, March
9, 2020 7:40
AM
To:
AnimalFarm
Microwave
Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
Well, my worst
nightmare has
hit. Turns out
a lady from
here in town
was in the car
behind this
lady and we
"exposed"
So that
equates to
"its here in
town now"
I already
talked to the
OB about this.
The wifes
having the
baby cut from
her gut on the
18th which has
a 3 day
recovery in
thos hospital.
In the mean
time everybody
and their
brother is
going to be
comimg out to
the hospital
because theyre
certain they
have the
deaths. Theyre
bringing every
germ known to
man into one
place.
Hospitals are
already
infection
centers, dirty
filthy
cesspools of
disease.
The baby
technically
only has to be
there 24
hours, and im
taking it
home. Wifes on
her own at the
death center.
Herpes will be
riding
bareback on
cold viruses
after
inbreeding
with mersa and
riding through
a puddle of c.
Diff.
On Mon, Mar 9,
2020, 6:46 AM
Forrest
Christian
(List Account)
<li...@packetflux.com>
wrote:
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Let
me see If I
can agree with
what I think
you're saying:
1) Currently
we're
pre-selecting
for people who
are in a
hospital with
something
looking like
nCov and which
got tested.
We don't
currently know
how many
people have it
but didn't get
tested and as
such isn't
counted as an
infected
person. As
we improve our
testing
ability, we'll
find more
cases which
aren't
hospitalization
(and possible
subsequent
death) cases,
pushing the
rate lower.
2) Because we
are testing
more we'll
also be able
to tell that
some of the
cases that we
aren't
attributing to
nCov are
actually nCov
cases, pushing
the rate
higher.
Does that
describe what
you're saying?
On Mon, Mar 9,
2020 at 5:09
AM Matt Hoppes
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
wrote:
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More
people being
tested means
two things:
1) the death
rate goes way
down
2) the death
rate goes way
up, because we
currently have
folks dying of
pneumonia that
wasn’t the
flu.
> On Mar 8,
2020, at 11:30
PM, Mark -
Myakka
Technologies
<m...@mailmt.com>
wrote:
>
> I'm
going to
Disney World
this coming
Friday. Went
into town this
> weekend,
stopped by
5-6 stores
including
lunch out. I
have an
> employee
going on a
cruise next
week.
>
> We have
had two
confirmed
cases in our
county.
>
> It is
what it is,
I'm not going
to hide under
a rock. Let's
keep this
> in
perspective.
Currently
the total
infection rate
per 1 million
in
> the US
is 1.6. S.
Korea has the
highest
infection rate
at 144 per
> million.
That
infection
rate not
death rate.
Death rate is
even
> lower.
>
> If you
are under 50
years old,
your death
chances are
under 0.5%.
>
> It is
going to go
up. Now that
both Quest
Labs and
Labcorp are
both
> doing
testing,
more people
will get
tested. More
people getting
> tested,
means more
people being
counted as a
case.
>
> --
> Best
regards,
> Mark
mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka
Technologies,
Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> ------
>
> Sunday,
March 8, 2020,
9:51:23 PM,
you wrote:
>
> MH>
You’re really
making light
of this
serious
situation
aren’t you?
>
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On Mar 8,
2020, at 9:26
PM, Steve
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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welp, guys,
was nice
knowing you.
An amtrak
train had
apparently
stopped in
>>>
my town with
an infected
passenger.
Thats the end
of that.
Already took
the
>>>
family out to
the garden and
put them down,
now I just
wait for sweet
death.
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Might want to switch to peeing on them to avoid
spreading
anything.
>>>> According to the news stories droplets of saliva and
rubbing your
eyes are
>>>> the ways it gets spread. Urine might give you even
more dominance
than
>>>> spit anyway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* A
>
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