Interesting blog of what they’re doing in the Seattle area. I found it interesting they’re buying a motel for quarantine patients.
https://www.kuow.org/stories/live-blog-coronavirus-updates-in-seattle-area From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:03 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu Is an rfp for 500 million masks over 18 months apparently. This is to insure production numbers stay up. Would seem since this is for global response that maybe it would be better served this bill be footed by a global partnership like the UN. The UN wont pay retail, we will pay 10 bucks a mask when its all said and done. Not sure why this wasnt done after the last "pandemic" killed 12000 americans... wait, its because (as much as i hate to admit it) the prior administration made a fiscally responsible decision. 300 million, 30 million 10 packs. Storage alone would be a nightmare. This is exactly the same scenario i ran across managing supplies in my EMS days. We had a wreck on the highway, car spun out, hit one guard rail, punctured the fuel tank, engulfed the car, struck the next guard rail and the windows broke out. Super heated fueal air mix drafted the interior, all 4 occupants 80 plus percent 3rd degree burns. People were dumping water on the burns, bottled water, everyhing they had. The bacteria from doing that alone would have killed them, if the hypothermia and dehydration didnt. My guy got a saline wrap and taken to a higher level of care. He went out in the ER and never made it to the burn unit. After the fact everybody was demanding we dedicated an entire compartment on each rig to extra water for the next mass casualty burn. A. There is limited real estate in an ambulance. You carry what youre most likely to use, they wanted to take out the road flares and body bags. Those are mandated. B. Irrigation in the field is contraindicated. Introduction of bacteria, dehydration, and hypothermia. You also will shut down their kidneys. C. Everything expires, including sterile water and saline. This means more backstock storage. So i went to the state burn director to get the permission to use water gel, it comes in packs the size of a hand warmer. Then took that to IDPH and filled the paperwork for approval in the state for its use. Thats why its in illininois allowed use list. Slapback responses to issues that rarely happen that consist of unreasonable policy with burdensome inventory management and innappropriate reaponse are never a good idea. Note the surgeon general announcement not to buy n95 masks since theyre ineeffective. People need to first calm their tits. Thats job 1. Then, reasonable people need to sit down and address what is most likely to be a cost effective and reasonable mechanism for preparedness (300 million masks is not it). You have emergency reaponders, PPE for them, yes. Does that start in a federal warehouse, maybe. DOT and state departments of health design or repurpose existing health product delivery systems down to regional EMS systems. Individual facilities and responder services fill aquisitions for replenishment and backstock. The global inventory gets rotated down. More pork, but maybe feasible, still doesnt do much. What about the atropine shortages when the nerve agents were gonna kill us all? It expired out and was disposed of. So we are also going to subsidize 3m for this? Its not a one time purchase. How did that work out for dairy farmers? None of this needs to be addressed until after the emergent threat is over, or you end up making emotion based decisions. Like paying higher than retail for 300 million masks to artificially inflate a producers production demand and stock value. Instead of growing the machine for an inefficient solution, why not put all that dough into treatment preparedness. On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:19 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote: I'm just shocked they don't have a strategic stockpile of at least a few million. Buy some with a long shelf life, and rotate them out into the VA system every year, or do something similar. Heck, if you just ensured the VA system had what they needed times the shelf life minus a few months, then when the crap hit the fan you'd have enough for 90 days of emergency, which you'd then need to replenish. On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:08 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at all times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let alone cycle it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> > wrote: No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared! -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) _____ From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > To: "af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont work. Thats an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger percentage of the population, half the people you see in them have a gap by their noses, which means theyre trapping the virus inside the mask. and if youre not going to shave, dont even bother. Same reason firemen have mustaches and not beards On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> > wrote: Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) _____ From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > To: "af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu I think this topic has \lent but anybody watching this: <https://www.google.com/search?q=finance&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS887US887&oq=dow+jo&aqs=chrome.0.35i39j69i57j0l6.3975j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPQeMSozC3w8sc9YSmpSWtOXmMU4RJyy8xLzEtO9UnMS8nMSw9ITE_lAQCCiJIYKAAAAA&tbm=fin&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQmZTAovznAhUTCjQIHfucDiAQ6M8CMAB6BAhAEAI&sxsrf=ALeKk02NB20xnoAVtEGZ3O3rXmLIN6CAsA:1583168566404> Market Summary > Dow Jones Industrial Average INDEXDJX: .DJI Follow 26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%) On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: It does seem like it would please some of them. But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic outcome. On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote: Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a quarantine have the choice? On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS! It is insulting and pretty disgusting. Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list. It doesn't belong here. On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate. On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: Brilliant! Maybe send them via cruise ship. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu We could just send anyone with this bug to China. Problem solved. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out! I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined. This appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough patients On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote: Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette! If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s dinner. Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes. Probably the only thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end. Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation. Some part of you is rooting for it. Just a hypothesis. On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote: i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like devout christians worying about end times and rapture. On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys. He is very alt right too. He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place at the same time. He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote: On a side note. Thanks for letting me rant and rave here. Can't do it at home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man. Chuck, I know you are saving me a few $ in therapy. So, Thank You. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com> Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> ------ Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote: OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after all), but sounds kind of science-y. The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with hundreds of infections likely in the state. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing. I have not seen news reports anything close to “we are all going to die”. And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs at all of people buying up all the Lysol and Purell. I did buy a couple of the pump bottles of foaming hand soap we like, but the shelf was full. News reports have said wash your hands and that it’s good advice for seasonal flu as well, I don’t think that’s doomsday advice. I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all crazy there (as usual). Actually I have to admit that I recently discovered the steaks from Walmart are actually pretty good, they were branded Tyson Fresh Meats. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu There are only a few things we know for sure. 1. It is already in the US 2. More people in the US will get it 3. More people in the US will die. Anything other than this is pure speculation at this point. We don't know anything about this virus. Most everything I hear or read about this virus starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE". But if you bother to listen or read the article, it always has "may" or "some experts". The current official incubation period is 2-14 days, but hey lets just report 14 days and base all our models on this and report it as the most likely scenario. We don't know how long it lives on surfaces. We don't know how it reacts to UV light. We don't know how it will do in warm/humid conditions. My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's), This virus has been in the states before the first reported case. People have had it and recovered thinking it was just the flu. Not everyone exposed is going to get it. Not everyone who gets it is going to need to be hospitalized. Not everyone who gets hospitalized will die. The media once again is doing us a huge dis-service. They are hyping this thing way out of proportion. Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every can of Lysol or Lysol type of product was gone. Every package of disinfectant wipes were gone. Every bottle of any sized hand sanitizer, gone. Crazy. The closest reported "maybe" case is over 1300 miles away. God forbid we get a reported case in Florida, what will happen then? Going to start burning and looting? -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com> Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> ------ Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote: I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV or any podcasts or blogs. I do pay attention to as much scientifically-based information I can find though. This is a pretty good synopsis on our current knowledge without any spin: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Nazis are socialists. Bernie is a socialist. Therefore Bernie is a Nazi. So the Internet says. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock) thats the secret, remember russia shafted the nazis last time... russia is in asia, so russians are asians. Taking them out of the running too.... Weve said too much On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: Nazis also hate Communists. It all fits. On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote: Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is obviously genetically designed to target Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections are asians. Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a majority of the population so they can initiate another run at global domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend, carols husband Brad told her that he heard that this is what brexit was all about. Germany and Great Britian are forming an alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there is a shadow government of guess what... Nazis. On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus? On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > I'm waiting for Godwin... > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a >> "conspiracy". >> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the >> whole picture of what happened until more time passes. In the interim >> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch >> onto early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they >> won't let go of them. >> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong >> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war >> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I >> mean that one's obviously a joke.....right?) >> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers. >> >> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus. Really? Or >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all >> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true. >> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor. >> >> >> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic. >>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. 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