This a/c had radar altimeter... youtube blancoliro channel for more.
On 2/24/20 11:17 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
You'd never catch me flying in a chopper IFR unelss I had some sort of
terrain following radar or radar altimeter. Too many wind towers,
powerlines, and those pesky telecom towers ..
I've flown with real chopper pilots and they always always are
concerned with towers even though they need to stay above 500ft.
Imagine fumbling around in this while you can't see a thing outside.
N5NJ | Sikorsky S-76B | Untitled | Cam | JetPhotos
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*From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
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The Sikorsky S-76B is a big bird. Not cheap. Maybe 10 to 13 million
depending on condition.
I suspect this has some parallels to the thing with Bill Graham 20
years ago or something. I think Graham pressured the pilot to fly even
though the conditions were not very good (awful at that time). They
hit power lines in low visibility.
Helicopter pilots can sometimes cut corners.
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On 2/24/2020 10:47 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
Doubt it. It was poor decision after poor decision. Should never
have flown. Mist rolling in from the hills could obscure things
below 1 mile easily. Choppers and mountains don't mix with all
the updrafts and unpredictable wind patterns. ESPECIALLY
downdrafts. (I like to fly the Huey in DCS and its a pain to land
with a slight downdraft)
Most choppers don't have much to navigate IFR other than an NDB if
they are lucky they have a VOR which would require IFR and some
preplanning. Especially in mountains. I'd assume since he was
rich as hell that they'd have a GPS capable nav air like a GNS 530
(pretty cheap) so it would have some nav aids but not necessarily
terrain loaded.
It was just dumb to press your luck in an aircraft not designed
for IFR "on the fly"
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*Sent: *Monday, February 24, 2020 1:03:43 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Kobe and helicopters
OK, so I am bored. Hit delete.
The pilot of the helicopter is getting trashed because he asked
for SVFR (special VFR) and got denied on a prior flight. He
proceeded anyway.
On the crash flight he asked for VFR flight following. They
denied it due to his altitude. I have had that happen to me
dozens of times. It does not indicate anything other than radar
can only see so low.
91.155
A helicopter may be operated clear of clouds if operated at a
speed that allows the pilot adequate opportunity to see any air
traffic or obstruction in time to avoid a collision.
91.157
This part allows helicopters to fly SVFR even when flight
visibility is below 1 statute mile when required for other aircraft.
This part also allows helicopters to operate SVFR at night while
other aircraft would have to be IFR certified with an instrument
rated pilot.
This part allows helicopters to take off or land a helicopter even
when the ground visibility is below 1 statute mile.
On the prior flight people are using to claim he was a bad pilot,
he was proceeding low and slow as allowed but he was in a
particular area of controlled airspace that required permission to
do so. Not that it was reckless or dangerous.
His only other option was trying to file what is called a “pop up”
IFR flight plan. I have had to do that before when the weather
changed. It is a pain, takes some radio time to do but it is a
legal way forward. Or he could have found a place to land
perhaps. He got busted doing what was probably the safest, but
not legal, thing to do.
I don’t think this calls his skills into question.
The ship was flying but doing a rapid turning descent for some
time before the crash.
Either he got really bad vertigo or he was attempting to
autorotate due to a mechanical failure.
I don’t think he got vertigo. When you are in the clouds you use
the autopilot if you have one. He had one.
He was a high time IFR rated pilot.
If you hit clouds you mind switches to using the instruments and
getting yourself out of trouble or staying out of trouble. .
This was a Sikorsky S-76B Very large helicopter. Has an auto
pilot and almost certainly had an auto hover feature due to the
fact that it was used for search and rescue in a prior life. You
can simply stop them and hover if you find yourself uncertain of
your position.
Maybe he had a heart attack.
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