Calix used to be an add-on at $50 upfront and $10 per month. We've since increased all our plans $10 per month and now the first router is FREE and customers love it. If they need a mesh, it's just $5 per month, nothing upfront.
This has gotten our take rates 99% for new customers and we've had great luck upgrading existing customers too because they get a speed increase and a free router for just $10 more with our new plans. On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:47 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > So are you including this as part of the service or is it an add-on? Do > you charge an upfront fee? > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:52 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: > >> I didn't find it hard to get 1000+ of these deployed over 2 years. We are >> a small wisp and we've only emailed existing customers about it twice and >> many switch to it. Also anytime a customer calls and doesn't have one, we >> upsell. >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 11:27 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >>> Calix CPE is probably an easier decision for a FISP, or for a new WISP >>> just starting deployment, or for a big provider that deploys a pallet load >>> of routers every day. >>> >>> >>> >>> For an established small WISP with maybe a couple thousand existing >>> customers and a modest number of new customers monthly, converting to Calix >>> and meeting their minimums for cloud features can be troublesome. It’s >>> also easier for a big carrier to just put a team of people from their CPE >>> department on getting it done. For a small WISP, it’s one more project for >>> the head techie. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie >>> *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2020 10:51 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google/Nest WiFi speedtest >>> >>> >>> >>> Last time I checked the 844E + Calix ONT was actually cheaper than the >>> 844G. >>> >>> On Friday, January 24, 2020, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hard disagree. The 844G is *CHEAP* compared to ONT+WiFi Router in terms >>> of hardware. Having one box/troubleshoot point is a nice cost savings, too. >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> Suite 1337 >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 9:31 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>> There's no way Calix will get a dime from me. Everything is so expensive >>> compared to alternatives. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Thursday, January 23, 2020 12:29:01 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google/Nest WiFi speedtest >>> >>> What does Calix get you for on the management? I've been looking into >>> some options for managed routers, and I like the 844E, but Calix is pretty >>> proud of their management platform and it just doesn't make a lot of sense >>> for the number of managed routers we would be deploying right now. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm wondering if anyone out there has any experience with Ubiquiti's >>> Dream Machine (unfortunate name, since Sony has been using it for a couple >>> of decades). At least Ubiquiti has a management platform that I don't need >>> to sacrifice my firstborn for. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:47 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Guys, >>> >>> >>> >>> Start heavily pushing managed routers. We're all Calix with 804mesh and >>> we include the first router free in all our plans. >>> >>> >>> >>> Makes a huge difference. >>> >>> >>> >>> Google wifi is bad because there's no way to manually set the 5ghz >>> channel away from our radio. We have one customer we told this and that >>> their service will stink until they switch to our router or get a different >>> mesh system like orbi where you can still set the channel manually. >>> >>> >>> >>> We also do not support any speedtest except speedtest.net and selecting >>> one server we like. Also they have to be hardwired to the POE or we won't >>> respond to their tests. This eliminates much of the back and forth wifi >>> speedtests. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 11:34 AM Matt Hoppes < >>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>> >>> I've had a slew of wifi related calls this week. Plug in, no issue. >>> WiFi -- interference - customer needs to get a dual band router, or it's >>> so bad it's just not fixable. >>> >>> I really just want to tell folks "WiFi is not supported on our service, >>> use at your own risk"... but of course, I can't do that. >>> >>> On 1/23/20 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> > Anybody know if the speedtest built into the Google and Nest WiFi mesh >>> > routers use the same M-Lab speedtest as the one a Google search sends >>> > you to? Their FAQ seems to indicate it is different and tests to >>> > Youtube servers. >>> > >>> > Apparently they have a feature where customers can set it up to >>> > periodically test their speed, and now I have customers calling in to >>> > report that their router says they aren’t getting the speed they’re >>> > paying for. We burn a bunch of time checking all the stats, including >>> > Preseem which shows no problems at all and actual traffic consistently >>> > to the speed plan they’re on. When asked what they were trying to do >>> > that was slow or when they ran the speedtest, they can’t cite any >>> > problems and the speedtests were done days ago and they are just >>> > reviewing the Google report. >>> > >>> > One guy said the Google report indicated his dish moved in a windstorm >>> > so we needed to come out and fix it. We have all sorts of graphs on >>> his >>> > signal, SNR, etc. and his dish had not moved. We had however moved >>> this >>> > tower onto Preseem for bandwidth management around that time. >>> Everyone >>> > else is seeing better performance as a result, video streaming, gaming >>> > and web browsing now play nice together. I’m wondering if somehow the >>> > Google speedtest doesn’t like the Preseem algorithms (FQ-CODEL + AQM), >>> > or if their speedtest is just flakey. >>> > >>> > I don’t have a Google or Nest WiFi to test with. We have a whole list >>> > of other reasons why we hate them. Generally we tell customers not to >>> > buy them unless they are on a 3.65 GHz AP, but customers like to say >>> > screw you and then still expect you to be responsible for their bad >>> > decisions. (Like the customers who select the cheap plan despite >>> being >>> > told it is too slow to watch streaming video, and then call to >>> complain >>> > about streaming video.) >>> > >>> > Other reasons we hate them: >>> > >>> > - no dedicated backhaul channel, compared to (for example) Netgear Orbi >>> > >>> > - only 1 or 2 Ethernet ports >>> > >>> > - requires Google account and app >>> > >>> > - requires cloud >>> > >>> > - uses Google DNS by default >>> > >>> > - tell me they’re not doing data mining >>> > >>> > - puck and point terminology is goofy, reminiscent of Apple and their >>> > airports and time capsules >>> > >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
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