So are you including this as part of the service or is it an add-on? Do you charge an upfront fee?
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:52 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > I didn't find it hard to get 1000+ of these deployed over 2 years. We are > a small wisp and we've only emailed existing customers about it twice and > many switch to it. Also anytime a customer calls and doesn't have one, we > upsell. > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 11:27 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >> Calix CPE is probably an easier decision for a FISP, or for a new WISP >> just starting deployment, or for a big provider that deploys a pallet load >> of routers every day. >> >> >> >> For an established small WISP with maybe a couple thousand existing >> customers and a modest number of new customers monthly, converting to Calix >> and meeting their minimums for cloud features can be troublesome. It’s >> also easier for a big carrier to just put a team of people from their CPE >> department on getting it done. For a small WISP, it’s one more project for >> the head techie. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie >> *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2020 10:51 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google/Nest WiFi speedtest >> >> >> >> Last time I checked the 844E + Calix ONT was actually cheaper than the >> 844G. >> >> On Friday, January 24, 2020, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hard disagree. The 844G is *CHEAP* compared to ONT+WiFi Router in terms >> of hardware. Having one box/troubleshoot point is a nice cost savings, too. >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >> Suite 1337 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >> Troy, OH 45373 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 9:31 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> There's no way Calix will get a dime from me. Everything is so expensive >> compared to alternatives. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Thursday, January 23, 2020 12:29:01 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google/Nest WiFi speedtest >> >> What does Calix get you for on the management? I've been looking into >> some options for managed routers, and I like the 844E, but Calix is pretty >> proud of their management platform and it just doesn't make a lot of sense >> for the number of managed routers we would be deploying right now. >> >> >> >> I'm wondering if anyone out there has any experience with Ubiquiti's >> Dream Machine (unfortunate name, since Sony has been using it for a couple >> of decades). At least Ubiquiti has a management platform that I don't need >> to sacrifice my firstborn for. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:47 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >> Guys, >> >> >> >> Start heavily pushing managed routers. We're all Calix with 804mesh and >> we include the first router free in all our plans. >> >> >> >> Makes a huge difference. >> >> >> >> Google wifi is bad because there's no way to manually set the 5ghz >> channel away from our radio. We have one customer we told this and that >> their service will stink until they switch to our router or get a different >> mesh system like orbi where you can still set the channel manually. >> >> >> >> We also do not support any speedtest except speedtest.net and selecting >> one server we like. Also they have to be hardwired to the POE or we won't >> respond to their tests. This eliminates much of the back and forth wifi >> speedtests. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 11:34 AM Matt Hoppes < >> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >> >> I've had a slew of wifi related calls this week. Plug in, no issue. >> WiFi -- interference - customer needs to get a dual band router, or it's >> so bad it's just not fixable. >> >> I really just want to tell folks "WiFi is not supported on our service, >> use at your own risk"... but of course, I can't do that. >> >> On 1/23/20 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> > Anybody know if the speedtest built into the Google and Nest WiFi mesh >> > routers use the same M-Lab speedtest as the one a Google search sends >> > you to? Their FAQ seems to indicate it is different and tests to >> > Youtube servers. >> > >> > Apparently they have a feature where customers can set it up to >> > periodically test their speed, and now I have customers calling in to >> > report that their router says they aren’t getting the speed they’re >> > paying for. We burn a bunch of time checking all the stats, including >> > Preseem which shows no problems at all and actual traffic consistently >> > to the speed plan they’re on. When asked what they were trying to do >> > that was slow or when they ran the speedtest, they can’t cite any >> > problems and the speedtests were done days ago and they are just >> > reviewing the Google report. >> > >> > One guy said the Google report indicated his dish moved in a windstorm >> > so we needed to come out and fix it. We have all sorts of graphs on >> his >> > signal, SNR, etc. and his dish had not moved. We had however moved >> this >> > tower onto Preseem for bandwidth management around that time. Everyone >> > else is seeing better performance as a result, video streaming, gaming >> > and web browsing now play nice together. I’m wondering if somehow the >> > Google speedtest doesn’t like the Preseem algorithms (FQ-CODEL + AQM), >> > or if their speedtest is just flakey. >> > >> > I don’t have a Google or Nest WiFi to test with. We have a whole list >> > of other reasons why we hate them. Generally we tell customers not to >> > buy them unless they are on a 3.65 GHz AP, but customers like to say >> > screw you and then still expect you to be responsible for their bad >> > decisions. (Like the customers who select the cheap plan despite being >> > told it is too slow to watch streaming video, and then call to complain >> > about streaming video.) >> > >> > Other reasons we hate them: >> > >> > - no dedicated backhaul channel, compared to (for example) Netgear Orbi >> > >> > - only 1 or 2 Ethernet ports >> > >> > - requires Google account and app >> > >> > - requires cloud >> > >> > - uses Google DNS by default >> > >> > - tell me they’re not doing data mining >> > >> > - puck and point terminology is goofy, reminiscent of Apple and their >> > airports and time capsules >> > >> > >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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