Other than stalking old girl friends, is there any other use?
*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
It does surprise me that there are people that don't know how to use
Facebook.
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*From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:26:28 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
There definitely is a different tone, it seems like FB attracts a
different sort of people than a mailing list, in general (as do forums).
A lot of the same people are on all three, but the most active ones tend
to be different.
But my other problem with Facebook groups is that they seem to be mostly
worthless unless you sit there and stare at FB all day. Of course that
may be just because I don't know how to use FB, but on the other hand, I
don't want to...
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:27 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
There's a different tone on Facebook IMO. People are not as self
policing. That's just an observation. I have no explanation for
this behavior.
On 1/7/2020 10:21 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Facebook groups are not forums...
As much as I dislike forums, I must admit, I dislike facebook
groups much more (although in a different way)
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:07 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
wrote:
"Would a forum have done as well?"
If you define Facebook groups as a forum, the answer is yes.
The Facebook groups and pages did respond well to the issue.
The difference between AFMUG and the others is that
Forrest's expertise in the matter was on AFMUG.
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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:41:27 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
IMHO, projects should have goals, otherwise they are change
for change sake.
One needs to ask, what problem does this solve?
It is popular to categorize people as either conservative or
progressive, which I think is false. Most people are both.
They want to fix what’s broke, and keep what works.
So what’s broke, how does this change fix it, and are any
babies being thrown out with the bathwater?
I see a lot of vendor forums. Some work, many don’t. The
key seems to be that a vendor forum needs the vendor to have
moderators constantly monitoring the forum posts and
recruiting internal resources to respond. Unless you just
want it to serve a social function, rather than being
transactional, like announcements or requests for
assistance. Unmoderated vendor forums tend to become a
space for bloviation and for noobs to foolishly ask for help
not realizing nobody will respond.
Look how well this list responded to the GPS problem when
the GLONASS rollover occurred. Would a forum have done as well?
Now it’s possible this is much fuss over nothing. Maybe what
WISPA is contemplating is a mere technical change that will
allow the existing transactional email format to continue,
while also providing a convenient archive for the people who
visit only occasionally or when they are researching
something, maybe with cool search features. But I still
ask, what problem is being solved?
There has been a long running discussion at WISPA that
pretty much consists of “I like lists” vs “I like forums”.
It seems like either somebody feels it’s time for the forum
likers to have a turn, or else the new WISPA software has a
forum feature that somebody wants to use. But decision
making without goals is basically “listening to your gut”.
My gut wants a fish taco.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:59 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
It doesn't seem like members@ is being used much anyways.
It's so low traffic, that I thought I got removed for some
reason.
At least we still have AFMUG, amirite?
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:45 AM Dennis Burgess via AF
<af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
Yep. While I really thing that the WISPA mailing lists
are important, moving it to a forum and discontinuing
mailing list would be a bad idea for WISPA.
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*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike
Hammett
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
When a couple non-WISPA FB groups became popular, WISPA
mailing list traffic plummeted.
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*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, January 6, 2020 11:54:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
I don’t use the book of face so I’m unfamiliar.
I think wispa should offer every opportunity for us to
communicate and not limit it to just forums. Forums are
get for knowledge base/tech support type stuff because
you have a threaded searchable archive. But it’s a
repository of knowledge, not a communications platform
for interactive daily stuff. I check wispa, animal farm
and NANOG email lists multiple times a day. Cambium
went to forums which makes sense for a solutions
provider so that they have the searchable database, but
I go there maybe monthly to check for new software or
known issues. But I’m not very active in their
community, mostly because I don’t have time to also go
login and check a forum. Email is constantly flowing my
way and I interact with it all throughout the day.
One way to find out I guess is to gather some data.
Find out how many messages are currently being sent and
then look at the data after it’s forums only. My money
is on a steep decline in engagement...I know personally
I won’t be on there. Not because I don’t want to be
there, but it’s simply I don’t have the time to add yet
another thing to go log into and check to my daily life.
2 cents
-Sean
You can catch me on afmug (animal farm) or nanog
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:21 PM Daniel White
<dwh...@atheral.com> wrote:
Yes it is going away to a forum. Personally not a
fan myself but demand seems to be more for forums
than the mailing lists. Will also make some of the
committee work that happens easier so I have been told.
Most of the day to day conversation happens on
Facebook anymore... was the only reason I ever
signed up. Not sure what was so wrong about e-mail :-)
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Ken Hohhof wrote on 1/6/20 19:10:
You mean the main members list? Where did you
hear it was going away?
*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On
Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, January 6, 2020 7:55 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] WISPA email list
I thought the WISPA email list was going to be
shut off. But just now I got an email. Like to
delete my folder once it is defunct.
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