Facebook groups are not forums...
As much as I dislike forums, I must admit, I dislike facebook groups
much more (although in a different way)
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:07 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
"Would a forum have done as well?"
If you define Facebook groups as a forum, the answer is yes. The
Facebook groups and pages did respond well to the issue. The
difference between AFMUG and the others is that Forrest's
expertise in the matter was on AFMUG.
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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:41:27 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
IMHO, projects should have goals, otherwise they are change for
change sake.
One needs to ask, what problem does this solve?
It is popular to categorize people as either conservative or
progressive, which I think is false. Most people are both. They
want to fix what’s broke, and keep what works.
So what’s broke, how does this change fix it, and are any babies
being thrown out with the bathwater?
I see a lot of vendor forums. Some work, many don’t. The key
seems to be that a vendor forum needs the vendor to have
moderators constantly monitoring the forum posts and recruiting
internal resources to respond. Unless you just want it to serve a
social function, rather than being transactional, like
announcements or requests for assistance. Unmoderated vendor
forums tend to become a space for bloviation and for noobs to
foolishly ask for help not realizing nobody will respond.
Look how well this list responded to the GPS problem when the
GLONASS rollover occurred. Would a forum have done as well?
Now it’s possible this is much fuss over nothing. Maybe what
WISPA is contemplating is a mere technical change that will allow
the existing transactional email format to continue, while also
providing a convenient archive for the people who visit only
occasionally or when they are researching something, maybe with
cool search features. But I still ask, what problem is being solved?
There has been a long running discussion at WISPA that pretty much
consists of “I like lists” vs “I like forums”. It seems like
either somebody feels it’s time for the forum likers to have a
turn, or else the new WISPA software has a forum feature that
somebody wants to use. But decision making without goals is
basically “listening to your gut”. My gut wants a fish taco.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:59 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
It doesn't seem like members@ is being used much anyways. It's so
low traffic, that I thought I got removed for some reason.
At least we still have AFMUG, amirite?
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:45 AM Dennis Burgess via AF
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Yep. While I really thing that the WISPA mailing lists are
important, moving it to a forum and discontinuing mailing list
would be a bad idea for WISPA.
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*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
When a couple non-WISPA FB groups became popular, WISPA
mailing list traffic plummeted.
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*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, January 6, 2020 11:54:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
I don’t use the book of face so I’m unfamiliar.
I think wispa should offer every opportunity for us to
communicate and not limit it to just forums. Forums are get
for knowledge base/tech support type stuff because you have
a threaded searchable archive. But it’s a repository of
knowledge, not a communications platform for interactive daily
stuff. I check wispa, animal farm and NANOG email lists
multiple times a day. Cambium went to forums which makes sense
for a solutions provider so that they have the searchable
database, but I go there maybe monthly to check for new
software or known issues. But I’m not very active in their
community, mostly because I don’t have time to also go login
and check a forum. Email is constantly flowing my way and I
interact with it all throughout the day.
One way to find out I guess is to gather some data. Find out
how many messages are currently being sent and then look at
the data after it’s forums only. My money is on a steep
decline in engagement...I know personally I won’t be on
there. Not because I don’t want to be there, but it’s simply
I don’t have the time to add yet another thing to go log into
and check to my daily life.
2 cents
-Sean
You can catch me on afmug (animal farm) or nanog
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:21 PM Daniel White
<dwh...@atheral.com <mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:
Yes it is going away to a forum. Personally not a fan
myself but demand seems to be more for forums than the
mailing lists. Will also make some of the committee work
that happens easier so I have been told.
Most of the day to day conversation happens on Facebook
anymore... was the only reason I ever signed up. Not sure
what was so wrong about e-mail :-)
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Ken Hohhof wrote on 1/6/20 19:10:
You mean the main members list? Where did you hear it
was going away?
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Monday, January 6, 2020 7:55 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] WISPA email list
I thought the WISPA email list was going to be shut
off. But just now I got an email. Like to delete my
folder once it is defunct.
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