I haven’t had a Facebook account since ~2009 and I will never have one again.
#SurveillanceCapitalism On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:45 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > It does surprise me that there are people that don't know how to use > Facebook. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:26:28 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list > > There definitely is a different tone, it seems like FB attracts a > different sort of people than a mailing list, in general (as do forums). A > lot of the same people are on all three, but the most active ones tend to > be different. > > But my other problem with Facebook groups is that they seem to be mostly > worthless unless you sit there and stare at FB all day. Of course that may > be just because I don't know how to use FB, but on the other hand, I don't > want to... > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:27 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> There's a different tone on Facebook IMO. People are not as self >> policing. That's just an observation. I have no explanation for this >> behavior. >> On 1/7/2020 10:21 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: >> >> Facebook groups are not forums... >> >> As much as I dislike forums, I must admit, I dislike facebook groups much >> more (although in a different way) >> >> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:07 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >>> "Would a forum have done as well?" >>> >>> >>> If you define Facebook groups as a forum, the answer is yes. The >>> Facebook groups and pages did respond well to the issue. The difference >>> between AFMUG and the others is that Forrest's expertise in the matter was >>> on AFMUG. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:41:27 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list >>> >>> IMHO, projects should have goals, otherwise they are change for change >>> sake. >>> >>> >>> >>> One needs to ask, what problem does this solve? >>> >>> >>> >>> It is popular to categorize people as either conservative or >>> progressive, which I think is false. Most people are both. They want to >>> fix what’s broke, and keep what works. >>> >>> >>> >>> So what’s broke, how does this change fix it, and are any babies being >>> thrown out with the bathwater? >>> >>> >>> >>> I see a lot of vendor forums. Some work, many don’t. The key seems to >>> be that a vendor forum needs the vendor to have moderators constantly >>> monitoring the forum posts and recruiting internal resources to respond. >>> Unless you just want it to serve a social function, rather than being >>> transactional, like announcements or requests for assistance. Unmoderated >>> vendor forums tend to become a space for bloviation and for noobs to >>> foolishly ask for help not realizing nobody will respond. >>> >>> >>> >>> Look how well this list responded to the GPS problem when the GLONASS >>> rollover occurred. Would a forum have done as well? >>> >>> >>> >>> Now it’s possible this is much fuss over nothing. Maybe what WISPA is >>> contemplating is a mere technical change that will allow the existing >>> transactional email format to continue, while also providing a convenient >>> archive for the people who visit only occasionally or when they are >>> researching something, maybe with cool search features. But I still ask, >>> what problem is being solved? >>> >>> >>> >>> There has been a long running discussion at WISPA that pretty much >>> consists of “I like lists” vs “I like forums”. It seems like either >>> somebody feels it’s time for the forum likers to have a turn, or else the >>> new WISPA software has a forum feature that somebody wants to use. But >>> decision making without goals is basically “listening to your gut”. My gut >>> wants a fish taco. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:59 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list >>> >>> >>> >>> It doesn't seem like members@ is being used much anyways. It's so low >>> traffic, that I thought I got removed for some reason. >>> >>> >>> >>> At least we still have AFMUG, amirite? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:45 AM Dennis Burgess via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yep. While I really thing that the WISPA mailing lists are important, >>> moving it to a forum and discontinuing mailing list would be a bad idea for >>> WISPA. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *Author of "Learn >>> RouterOS- Second Edition” >>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> * Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list >>> >>> >>> >>> When a couple non-WISPA FB groups became popular, WISPA mailing list >>> traffic plummeted. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> <https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com&umid=F35A4989-9B8C-FC05-8FFD-D714EE199469&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-ba2a74ae624d6c038621c1c64097aeab4a24f399> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Monday, January 6, 2020 11:54:41 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list >>> >>> I don’t use the book of face so I’m unfamiliar. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think wispa should offer every opportunity for us to communicate and >>> not limit it to just forums. Forums are get for knowledge base/tech >>> support type stuff because you have a threaded searchable archive. But >>> it’s a repository of knowledge, not a communications platform for >>> interactive daily stuff. I check wispa, animal farm and NANOG email lists >>> multiple times a day. Cambium went to forums which makes sense for a >>> solutions provider so that they have the searchable database, but I go >>> there maybe monthly to check for new software or known issues. But I’m not >>> very active in their community, mostly because I don’t have time to also go >>> login and check a forum. Email is constantly flowing my way and I interact >>> with it all throughout the day. >>> >>> >>> >>> One way to find out I guess is to gather some data. Find out how many >>> messages are currently being sent and then look at the data after it’s >>> forums only. My money is on a steep decline in engagement...I know >>> personally I won’t be on there. Not because I don’t want to be there, but >>> it’s simply I don’t have the time to add yet another thing to go log into >>> and check to my daily life. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2 cents >>> >>> >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> >>> >>> You can catch me on afmug (animal farm) or nanog >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:21 PM Daniel White <dwh...@atheral.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes it is going away to a forum. Personally not a fan myself but demand >>> seems to be more for forums than the mailing lists. Will also make some of >>> the committee work that happens easier so I have been told. >>> >>> Most of the day to day conversation happens on Facebook anymore... was >>> the only reason I ever signed up. Not sure what was so wrong about e-mail >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: photograph] >>> >>> >>> *Daniel White *Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations >>> >>> *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766 >>> *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770 >>> >>> >>> Ken Hohhof wrote on 1/6/20 19:10: >>> >>> You mean the main members list? Where did you hear it was going away? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com >>> *Sent:* Monday, January 6, 2020 7:55 PM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] WISPA email list >>> >>> >>> >>> I thought the WISPA email list was going to be shut off. But just now I >>> got an email. 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