Other than stalking old girl friends, is there any other use?
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
It does surprise me that there are people that don't know how to use Facebook.
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From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 10:26:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
There definitely is a different tone, it seems like FB attracts a different
sort of people than a mailing list, in general (as do forums). A lot of the
same people are on all three, but the most active ones tend to be different.
But my other problem with Facebook groups is that they seem to be mostly
worthless unless you sit there and stare at FB all day. Of course that may be
just because I don't know how to use FB, but on the other hand, I don't want
to...
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:27 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
There's a different tone on Facebook IMO. People are not as self policing.
That's just an observation. I have no explanation for this behavior.
On 1/7/2020 10:21 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Facebook groups are not forums...
As much as I dislike forums, I must admit, I dislike facebook groups much
more (although in a different way)
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:07 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
"Would a forum have done as well?"
If you define Facebook groups as a forum, the answer is yes. The Facebook
groups and pages did respond well to the issue. The difference between AFMUG
and the others is that Forrest's expertise in the matter was on AFMUG.
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The Brothers WISP
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From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:41:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
IMHO, projects should have goals, otherwise they are change for change
sake.
One needs to ask, what problem does this solve?
It is popular to categorize people as either conservative or progressive,
which I think is false. Most people are both. They want to fix what’s broke,
and keep what works.
So what’s broke, how does this change fix it, and are any babies being
thrown out with the bathwater?
I see a lot of vendor forums. Some work, many don’t. The key seems to
be that a vendor forum needs the vendor to have moderators constantly
monitoring the forum posts and recruiting internal resources to respond.
Unless you just want it to serve a social function, rather than being
transactional, like announcements or requests for assistance. Unmoderated
vendor forums tend to become a space for bloviation and for noobs to foolishly
ask for help not realizing nobody will respond.
Look how well this list responded to the GPS problem when the GLONASS
rollover occurred. Would a forum have done as well?
Now it’s possible this is much fuss over nothing. Maybe what WISPA is
contemplating is a mere technical change that will allow the existing
transactional email format to continue, while also providing a convenient
archive for the people who visit only occasionally or when they are researching
something, maybe with cool search features. But I still ask, what problem is
being solved?
There has been a long running discussion at WISPA that pretty much
consists of “I like lists” vs “I like forums”. It seems like either somebody
feels it’s time for the forum likers to have a turn, or else the new WISPA
software has a forum feature that somebody wants to use. But decision making
without goals is basically “listening to your gut”. My gut wants a fish taco.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
It doesn't seem like members@ is being used much anyways. It's so low
traffic, that I thought I got removed for some reason.
At least we still have AFMUG, amirite?
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:45 AM Dennis Burgess via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
Yep. While I really thing that the WISPA mailing lists are important,
moving it to a forum and discontinuing mailing list would be a bad idea for
WISPA.
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 7:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
When a couple non-WISPA FB groups became popular, WISPA mailing list
traffic plummeted.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 11:54:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
I don’t use the book of face so I’m unfamiliar.
I think wispa should offer every opportunity for us to communicate and
not limit it to just forums. Forums are get for knowledge base/tech support
type stuff because you have a threaded searchable archive. But it’s a
repository of knowledge, not a communications platform for interactive daily
stuff. I check wispa, animal farm and NANOG email lists multiple times a day.
Cambium went to forums which makes sense for a solutions provider so that they
have the searchable database, but I go there maybe monthly to check for new
software or known issues. But I’m not very active in their community, mostly
because I don’t have time to also go login and check a forum. Email is
constantly flowing my way and I interact with it all throughout the day.
One way to find out I guess is to gather some data. Find out how many
messages are currently being sent and then look at the data after it’s forums
only. My money is on a steep decline in engagement...I know personally I won’t
be on there. Not because I don’t want to be there, but it’s simply I don’t
have the time to add yet another thing to go log into and check to my daily
life.
2 cents
-Sean
You can catch me on afmug (animal farm) or nanog
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:21 PM Daniel White <dwh...@atheral.com> wrote:
Yes it is going away to a forum. Personally not a fan myself but
demand seems to be more for forums than the mailing lists. Will also make some
of the committee work that happens easier so I have been told.
Most of the day to day conversation happens on Facebook anymore...
was the only reason I ever signed up. Not sure what was so wrong about e-mail
:-)
Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770
Ken Hohhof wrote on 1/6/20 19:10:
You mean the main members list? Where did you hear it was going
away?
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 7:55 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] WISPA email list
I thought the WISPA email list was going to be shut off. But just
now I got an email. Like to delete my folder once it is defunct.
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