Jeff, thanks for investigating.  Apparently the Position Preference is
not accessible through the API, but hopefully this will be added in
the future.  I'm also curious what other settings will enable proxy
bidding.

-Bryan


On Jan 7, 7:59 am, AdWords API Advisor <adwordsapiadvi...@google.com>
wrote:
> Hello Bryan,
>
>  It turns out that this behavior is due to having Position Preferences
> enabled for that campaign. Much like the Budget Optimizer, Position
> Preferences will modify bids on your behalf, and they will show up as
> proxy bids.
>
>  More information about Positions Preferences can be found at
>
>  http://adwords.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=8335
>
> and your AdWords account representative could provide additional
> information as well.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jeff Posnick, AdWords API Team
>
> On Jan 6, 8:00 pm, bryanjj <brya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Jeff, we really appreciate your help.
>
> > -Bryan
>
> > On Jan 6, 12:49 pm, AdWords API Advisor <adwordsapiadvi...@google.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Hello Bryan,
>
> > >  Thanks. I took a look at your account and I think there's something
> > > amiss on the AdWords level--the campaigns bids are being actively
> > > changed as if Budget Optimizer were enabled, but I don't see any
> > > indication that it is (and the AdWords web interface is displaying the
> > > bids as if they were just using the ad group default).
>
> > >  I'm going to escalate this internally to the appropriate folks on the
> > > AdWords side of things, as this is not API related. I'll let you know
> > > what I hear back.
>
> > > Cheers,
> > > -Jeff Posnick, AdWords API Team
>
> > > On Jan 6, 2:34 pm, bryanjj <brya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Jeff,
>
> > > > Thanks for the reply.  I do not see any explanatory text next to the
> > > > bids in the web interface.  The ad group id is 750368836.  Any help
> > > > would be appreciated since we are still seeing this behavior.
>
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bryan
>
> > > > On Jan 5, 9:30 am, AdWords API Advisor <adwordsapiadvi...@google.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Hello Bryan,
>
> > > > >  What do you see when you look at the ad group and keywords in the
> > > > > AdWords web interface--is there any explanatory text next to the bids?
> > > > > What's the id of the ad group you're looking at?
>
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > -Jeff Posnick, AdWords API Team
>
> > > > > On Jan 2, 5:40 pm, bryanjj <brya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Here is an interesting situation I hope someone can explain:
>
> > > > > > I have a campaign with the following budgetOptimizerSettings:
> > > > > > enabled = false
> > > > > > bidCeiling = null
> > > > > > takeOnOptimizedBids = null
>
> > > > > > This campaign contains a group with the following fields:
> > > > > > keywordMaxCpc = 5000000
> > > > > > proxyKeywordMaxCpc = 5000000
> > > > > > keywordMaxContentCpc = null
> > > > > > maxCpa = null
> > > > > > siteMaxCpc = null
> > > > > > siteMaxCpm = null
>
> > > > > > This group contains a keyword with the following fields:
> > > > > > maxCpc = 0
> > > > > > proxyMaxCpc = 4410000
>
> > > > > > According to our Google reports, we are bidding the proxy bid for 
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > keyword:  4410000
>
> > > > > > Is there an explanation for this since Campaign optimizer is
> > > > > > disabled?  All of these values have been stable for at least the 
> > > > > > past
> > > > > > few weeks.
>
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Bryan
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