Example.com is shorter, but acme-server.example.com is clearer.
Unless it becomes annoying, I prefer clarity to brevity. -Tim From: Q Misell <q=40as207960....@dmarc.ietf.org> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2025 10:01 AM To: Paul Wouters <paul.wout...@aiven.io> Cc: The IESG <i...@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-acme-on...@ietf.org; acme-cha...@ietf.org; acme@ietf.org; tomofumi.okubo+i...@gmail.com Subject: [Acme] Re: Paul Wouters' No Objection on draft-ietf-acme-onion-05: (with COMMENT) In every instance of example.com <http://example.com> in the draft this could also be an onion domain, however it most likely that ACME will be used over the plain Internet - so I will leave it as example.com <http://example.com> . I will let others chime in on weather they'd like to see acme-server.example.com <http://acme-server.example.com> or example.com <http://example.com> in the RFC. _____ Any statements contained in this email are personal to the author and are not necessarily the statements of the company unless specifically stated. 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Ar Llun, 13 Ion 2025 am 15:41 Paul Wouters <paul.wout...@aiven.io <mailto:paul.wout...@aiven.io> > ysgrifennodd: My point was that using a DNS name like "example.com <http://example.com> " in this case has another implication, that it is using real DNS and thus is not a tor/onion connection. I just want to make sure that for all uses of "example.com <http://example.com> ", it is indeed going over the regular internet and not over an onion connection. I personally think it is useful too to say like acme-server.example.com <http://acme-server.example.com> to convey better what the example entry is used for. Paul On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 4:07 AM Q Misell <q...@as207960.net <mailto:q...@as207960.net> > wrote: Hi Paul, Thanks for the comments. > I find the use of "example.com <http://example.com> " confusing. The use of example.com <http://example.com> is copied over directly from RFC8555, so I don't see a need to choose something different here. > Maybe explaining (for non tor experts) the relationship between key > identifiers and the XXXX.onion site name? Could you elaborate? I don't quite follow. > The use of "the author wishes" is a left over from when this was an > individual document. As this is now a WG document it should be generalized, > eg "it is desired" ? Will fix. Q _____ Any statements contained in this email are personal to the author and are not necessarily the statements of the company unless specifically stated. AS207960 Cyfyngedig, having a registered office at 13 Pen-y-lan Terrace, Caerdydd, Cymru, CF23 9EU, trading as Glauca Digital, is a company registered in Wales under № 12417574 <https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12417574> , LEI 875500FXNCJPAPF3PD10. ICO register №: ZA782876 <https://ico.org.uk/ESDWebPages/Entry/ZA782876> . UK VAT №: GB378323867. EU VAT №: EU372013983. Turkish VAT №: 0861333524. South Korean VAT №: 522-80-03080. AS207960 Ewrop OÜ, having a registered office at Lääne-Viru maakond, Tapa vald, Porkuni küla, Lossi tn 1, 46001, trading as Glauca Digital, is a company registered in Estonia under № 16755226. Estonian VAT №: EE102625532. Glauca Digital and the Glauca logo are registered trademarks in the UK, under № UK00003718474 and № UK00003718468, respectively. Ar Llun, 6 Ion 2025 am 18:04 Paul Wouters via Datatracker <nore...@ietf.org <mailto:nore...@ietf.org> > ysgrifennodd: Paul Wouters has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-acme-onion-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/handling-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-acme-onion/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I find the use of "example.com <http://example.com> " confusing. Does this mean a valid DNS identifier in the real DNS accessed over the regular internet? If not, should it not be better to use "example.onion" ? Maybe also using something like "acme-server.example.com <http://acme-server.example.com> " could be a bit clearer? Maybe explaining (for non tor experts) the relationship between key identifiers and the XXXX.onion site name? Section 8.2: The use of "the author wishes" is a left over from when this was an individual document. As this is now a WG document it should be generalized, eg "it is desired" ?
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