I'm stepping back to listen.  Perhaps you're not a software engineer.  It is 
good to discuss before starting.
Vic  


On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 22:11, hiro wrote:
> why step back. step forward and put your money where your mouth is.
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 2:42 PM <vester.thac...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I want to clarify that my intention is 
>> not to exert control or disrupt, but to foster better collaboration between 
>> communities.  I understand that there may be concerns about redundancy and 
>> approaches, which is why I believe a dialogue about our common goals and how 
>> best to achieve them is crucial.  I do not see much collaboration between 
>> 9legacy and 9front.  From what I gather from this thread, it seems that one 
>> community wants to lord over another and not be helpful.  At least this is 
>> how it appears to a hobbyist like me.  It would be nice if things were more 
>> cordial and helpful.
>>
>> I am assuming everyone here is a hobbyist, so I speak as a hobbyist. It’s 
>> important to recognize that our shared interest in advancing the Plan 9 
>> community is at the heart of these discussions. I am here not for personal 
>> gain but to contribute positively. I think we all bring valuable 
>> perspectives that, when combined, can lead to innovative solutions that 
>> benefit everyone involved.
>>
>> Let’s focus on how we can work together more effectively. I am open to 
>> suggestions and willing to step back where needed to allow for a more 
>> collective approach. I believe that through constructive dialogue and a 
>> shared commitment to our community’s goals, we can overcome 
>> misunderstandings and move forward together.
>>
>> I don't mind the ad hominem attacks.  I just hope things improve. I do find 
>> it ironic that I'm addressing the 9front community about collaboration and 
>> inclusiveness when I recall those as being two reasons for the inception of 
>> 9front.
>>
>> Vic
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 21:18, pl...@room3420.net wrote:
>> > The collaboration is already here. You try to create tools that already
>> > exist. I'd like to pinpoint why you have this unbelievable need for
>> > control and wonder if you're not just working for Microsoft, Google or
>> > the guy who stole Freenode and just try to disrupt the plan9 community.

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