My understanding is that the initial request came from a 9legacy member to the 9front community, and the responses were quite intriguing. It has led me to ponder how we might bridge the gap between these communities. There seems to be conflict on both sides, and for some reason, I hold 9front to higher standards—perhaps because of our more idealistic roots. The core mission of 9front was always to advance the Plan 9 tradition, but not at the cost of alienating others.
>From what I observe, there seem to be only a handful of active developers >remaining in each group. Initially, I believed we had around 30 active >developers in 9front and about 7 in 9legacy, but I now think I may have >overestimated these numbers. It appears that many are staying on the >sidelines, possibly due to past grievances, which could explain the responses >I've seen. The developers who are active might be overextended, while those >who are less active might feel marginalized. Vic On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 22:23, q...@nopenopenope.net wrote: > On Sun May 12 14:43:17 +0200 2024, vester.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: >> I don't mind the ad hominem attacks. I just hope things improve. I do find >> it ironic that I'm addressing the 9front community about collaboration and >> inclusiveness when I recall those as being two reasons for the inception of >> 9front. >> >> Vic > > You hit the nail on the head there. Why *are* you addressing just the > 9front community or assuming there is no willingness to collaborate on > its part? 9legacy users so far have expressed interest in someone > else porting dp9ik (David for instance) or demanded explanations about > DES cracking (Richard) or asked for others to port or fix fossil on > 9front (Lucio), but who explicitely said that they would like to put > in some work themselves and collaborate with 9front people? Maybe I'm > beginning to misremember the rest of the thread, am I missing > anything? Could you point to *specific examples*? > > 9front users demand code because they've already put in a lot of work > and it has been often ignored or dismissed, and because it would be up > to them to backport it to 9legacy -- why would they do double duty for > a system they don't use and a community which is generally not > receptive to their work? Also, do you realize that 9front right now > has upwards of 10500 changes in the repository, after 13 years? > Bringing 9legacy up to date as you've proposed would require a > colossal amount of work, all just to obtain... 9front. Do you > believe it has diverged to the point where backporting hardware > support, fixing bugs and broken or incomplete implementations and so > on will result in anything other than what 9front already is? > > You yourself demand everyone, especially the 9front community, to make > suggestions, start projects, etc. What about you? What do you > suggest to do and which projects would you take part in? That's what > "just send the code" implies. Promises don't fix bugs or help > implement programs, nor help fix this one-sided conversation. > > I'm asking these questions yet I fear that they will meet radio > silence or more empty walls of text, as it happens too often here > when asking "why" or how it came to this. I hope I'm wrong. > > Thanks, > qwx > > PS: I was about to hit send when I received Richard's mail. > Richard, thank you for the constructive and detailed response. > I hope this marks a turn of the tide. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tcf128fa955b8aafc-M1a00fb7eb0c7bb27d1f4d4d9 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
