And the nice thing about an ISO is you get non-essential files as well. For example, a readme file - which I highly doubt is included when running "/layout".
For example, examining my ISO of Windows Driver Kit 7.1.0 shows some files which I highly doubt are included in a "/layout" administrative image made. For example, "Relnote.htm" and "Install.htm". Now I'll probably have to track down and include these types of files myself. And the ISO format is also convenient for mounting to a virtual machine... It's much better if a release team can get these details straight on their own and just do it once for everyone, like Chris says. Now my assembled full image is probably going to look different from someone else's. The link to SQL Development Tools is comical. Instead of including a link to a single file that includes everything, they turned it into a 3 step process that required a few paragraphs of writing to describe the whole process. If getting off-line images of Microsoft software is now going to include dropping to the command line to assemble my own "administrative install point", NO THANKS!! What an unnecessary chore that didn't used to exist. I hope someone on the other side of the fence is listening. Brings back bad memories of that old Internet Explorer 4 active setup that didn't always work. Does anybody honestly think that web setup would still run correctly if used today? I bet all those CAB files it would download from Microsoft.com are long gone. James -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Painter [mailto:chr...@iswix.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 19:34 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.; General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Wow! Thankfully those instructions are somewhat easy atleast. Some of these "how to create an admin install" are horribly complex. To me, as a paying customer at a very, very large enterprise, it annoys the hell out of me. Don't make me figure out how to do this for all of the systems that I support. Just give me a download link to the darn ISO. Something the build/release team could have done just once and published now has to be redone over and over by thousands of organizations. I'm sorry, I just don't get it on this one. ---------------------------------------- From: "John H Bergman (XPedient)" <john.berg...@xpdnt.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 1:04 PM To: "General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset." <wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Wow! To reinforce a comment earlier about this being Microsoft's apparent direction as well, The latest SSDT (SQL Development Tools) uses the same methodology of the /layout switch. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/data/hh297027 John -----Original Message----- From: James Johnston [mailto:johnst...@inn-soft.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:26 AM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Wow! And this is why there needs to be a simple "off-line bundle" file ready to download. Seems like it shouldn't be too hard to include in the WiX build process, and would make a lot of people's lives easier. Realistically, I don't think there's a better solution than utilizing the built-in file downloader in a web browser for pulling in the archive. Anything else just makes it more complicated and unfamiliar for the user... Dog-fooding is a great idea; having a web setup available is a good idea for that reason. Just don't make this the only option... Here's an idea: have the capability of providing both web setups and generating premade off-line bundles ready for download and dog-food that. I'm sure many setup authors (myself included) will want to provide only premade off-line bundles, or both premade off-line bundles and web setups (i.e. having more than *just* a web setup). Dog-food that! :) -----Original Message----- From: Tobias S [mailto:tobias.s1...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 09:22 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Wow! Interesting discussion. That brought me to the point to run wix36.exe /layout. As expected in a firewall protected company environment the web bootstrapper didn't work (see below log). Also I expect different behaviors in different company environments using different "web download proxy virus scanners" (or as these things are called). I think doing an implementation for all that is almost impossible. But what about an approach to spend burn an additional parameter to get a list of URLs (e.g. /downloadurls ). Imho almost every firewall should be able to handle manual downloading of MSI files. Not very comfortable but at least an approach to get an offline image in a company environment... Regards, Tobias [1BE8:1094][2012-03-06T10:10:56]: Caching bundle from: 'C:\Users\MyUser\AppData\Local\Temp\{53bade28-8480-4557-92fc-13a20c501a3e}\. be\WiX36.exe' to: 'C:\ProgramData\Package Cache\{53bade28-8480-4557-92fc-13a20c501a3e}\WiX36.exe' [1BE8:1094][2012-03-06T10:10:56]: Registering bundle dependency provider: {53bade28-8480-4557-92fc-13a20c501a3e}, version: 3.6.2627.0 [1D50:1394][2012-03-06T10:11:17]: Error 0x80072efd: Failed to send request to URL: http://wixtoolset.org/releases/3.6.2627.0/data/core.msi [1D50:1394][2012-03-06T10:11:17]: Error 0x80072efd: Failed to send request to URL: http://wixtoolset.org/releases/3.6.2627.0/data/core.msi [1D50:1394][2012-03-06T10:11:17]: Error 0x80072efd: Failed to connect to URL: http://wixtoolset.org/releases/3.6.2627.0/data/core.msi [1D50:1394][2012-03-06T10:11:17]: Error 0x80072efd: Failed to get size and time for URL: http://wixtoolset.org/releases/3.6.2627.0/data/core.msi [1D50:1394][2012-03-06T10:11:17]: Error 0x80072efd: Failed attempt to download URL: 'http://wixtoolset.org/releases/3.6.2627.0/data/core.msi' to: 'C:\Users\MyUser\AppData\Local\Temp\{53bade28-8480-4557-92fc-13a20c501a3e}\W ix' [1D50:1394][2012-03-06T10:11:17]: Error 0x80072efd: Failed to acquire payload from: 'http://wixtoolset.org/releases/3.6.2627.0/data/core.msi' to working path: 'C:\Users\MyUser\AppData\Local\Temp\{53bade28-8480-4557-92fc-13a20c501a3e}\W ix' [1D50:1394][2012-03-06T10:11:17]: Failed to acquire payload: Wix to working path: C:\Users\MyUser\AppData\Local\Temp\{53bade28-8480-4557-92fc-13a20c501a3e}\Wi x, error: 0x80072efd. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d _______________________________________________ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d _______________________________________________ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Virtualization & Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ _______________________________________________ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Virtualization & Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ _______________________________________________ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Virtualization & Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ _______________________________________________ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
