"Before asking why WMF has banned an admin (and if Fram was not an admin, all these discussions would not have been done), we need to ask ourselves why we (other users) have allowed such an attitude without intervening to stop it."
First, if Fram were a well-known editor but not an admin, yes, there absolutely would be such a discussion. But as to why, the answer, very simply, is that the English Wikipedia community values competence over politeness, and probably always will. That is part of the culture of the community, and the WMF has no right to override that. Todd On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 6:46 AM camelia boban <[email protected]> wrote: > I quote David and Isaac. > Harassment is a serious thing and hounding another user is out of any wiki > behavior. > Before asking why WMF has banned an admin (and if Fram was not an admin, > all these discussions would not have been done), we need to ask ourselves > why we (other users) have allowed such an attitude without intervening to > stop it. > > > Camelia > > > -- > *Camelia Boban* > > *| Java EE Developer |* > > *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia *Foundation > Coordinator - Diversity Working Group for Wikimedia Strategy 2030 > Chair & co-founder - WikiDonne User Group *| WikiDonne Project ideator* > > *Diversity Space @ Wikimania 2019 Co-Lead* > WMIT - WMSE - WMCH - WMAR Member > > M. +39 3383385545 > [email protected] > *Aissa Technologies* <http://aissatechnologies.eu/>* | *Twitter > <https://twitter.com/cameliaboban> *|* *LinkedIn > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/camelia-boban-31319122>* > *Wikipedia <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Camelia.boban> **| > **WikiDonne > UG <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiDonne>* | *WikiDonne Project > <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progetto:WikiDonne> * > > > > > > > > > > > > Il giorno ven 14 giu 2019 alle ore 14:32 Mister Thrapostibongles < > [email protected]> ha scritto: > > > Fæ > > > > [...] the pre-existing understanding that the WMF do not replace > > > existing and perfectly adequate community agreed procedures for > > > banning bad behaviour on our projects. > > > > > > Unfortunately, there is ample evidence that the existing English > Wikipedia > > community processes are not "perfectly adequate" for that purpose. > > > > > > > If the English > > > Wikipedia's policies are not fit for purpose, or implementation of > > > policy is incompetent, we need a much bigger discussion > > > > > > Indeed. Unfortunately the tone of the discussion here and at > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_ban_of_Fram > > suggests > > that the requisite discussion is now less, not more, likely to happen or > be > > productive. > > > > Thrapostibongles > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
