Generally a review of criteria seems like a fair idea - but I would recommend doing that after the conference (ideally after the evaluation results come back). That way, you have the benefit of knowing what people have been missing, and what skills /experience/quality we might have added to make it a better conference.
Zeljko: I can't look in your head, but I also read your original response as passive aggressive and it looked like you were using the scholarship as a way to score points in a conversation with someone who you had a disagreement with. I'm glad if this was not your intention, but I thought you might want to know that is how it came across to me. Gnangarra: What would be a helpful way/moment for people to weigh in on evaluating the criteria? I think this is a returning conversation each year (often triggered by a specific situation of an applicant) so finding a suitable moment and preparing some materials for review might be helpful. I know you're very busy with Wikimania right now, so don't want to suggest adding this to your burden - or even suggest that you're the best person for this. Best, Lodewijk On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 6:09 AM Fresh Look <[email protected]> wrote: > If true, others would be very interested in learning what a '4 time > attendee' knows so they can also be accorded the opportunity to contribute > to this great endeavor next year and in the years to come. Much to learn. > Wishing all the best, it's going to be a great experience in Singapore. > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023, 21:23 Željko Blaće <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 3:14 AM Gnangarra <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Zeljko >>> >>> Your comment is uncalled for; >>> >> >> Hi Gnangarra. Firstly I did not make a comment but a question. It was >> also towards someone who felt too busy to do edits *(which is fair, I do >> also), but was regretting it publicly while doing a lot of work for a >> friend that is interested to participate but also be very anxious over >> multiple things that could be interpreted as transphobia. >> >> >>> scholarships are distributed according to many varied criteria every >>> application is independently reviewed by the team. >>> >> >> I did not open the question of criteria, but if you feel like you wanna >> share more as a person leading this work I would encourage you to do it >> publicly and systematically on Wikimania pages. >> >> >>> Each application as scored is then compared across the region maximising >>> the best candidates, >>> >> >> Interesting. So the list will have regional and national listings of >> awardees? >> Was it done that way before? Looking forward to see this info. >> >> >>> each year its been the COT that have decided what criteria to focus on. >>> >> >> Interesting. I would think it was a mix of established norms and program >> focus. >> >> This year the criteria was collaboration through outreach, and developing >>> new communities because everyone contributes in different ways. >>> >> >> Fascinating. I look forward to see people who do great work here and also >> who are close runners up. I see myself primarily as Outreach person *(would >> love to see Outreach wiki re-gain momentum) and really wanna know of people >> that are even more enthusiastic and productive in this direction. >> >> >>> One thing has always remained consistent that is we discuss the topic >>> not the individual, please refrain from judging the individual in future >>> comments. >>> >> >> I am sorry you felt this was judging *(usually you should be in power to >> do so), as I mostly echoed self-stated claims and asking questions. >> >> >>> Not everyone has the same freedoms or experiences at home and that leads >>> to concerns when travelling. >>> >> >> Since I would have not been legal in Singapore last year this time I am >> well aware of this, however this is based on legal regulations not >> hypothetical probability. >> >> >>> Trust & Safety people will be readily available during the event and at >>> each activity, all volunteers will have T&S training and instructions on >>> where to contact the T&S team >>> >> >> That is good to know. >> >> Thank you for fast inputs, though I was not expecting or calling it for as >> you phrased it, but I do look forward now to *(delayed) the report on >> Wikimania wiki. >> >> Best wishes! >> >> On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 at 08:30, Handoko Suwono <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry if I am answering to the wrong thread about gender policing in >>>> Singapore. >>>> >>>> - handoko >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 26, 2023, 00:55 Željko Blaće <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 8:27 AM Mina Theofilatou < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi and thanks a lot for your email! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You are most welcome. >>>>> >>>>> You also raised some super interesting topics and gave me insights in >>>>> your activities and Wikimania scholarship decisions I really appreciate. >>>>> >>>>> I hope you do not mind this email remaining public as I really feel it >>>>> is an important topic at least as much as your friend does! I hope Butch >>>>> does also. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> This friend is not involved in the Wikimedia movement, she would be a >>>>>> "novice". I talked to her about Wikimania - she can self-fund herself >>>>>> whereas sadly I can't - and she raised some concerns. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OK - but at least you got the scholarship so you are certain you will >>>>> be there? >>>>> I see you are not really contributing much to Wikimedia yourself also >>>>> https://guc.toolforge.org/?by=date&user=Saintfevrier >>>>> Interesting that you have been selected for a Scholarship anyway again >>>>> and again...is this 4th Wikimania for you? >>>>> >>>>> I hope few people from our QW2023 team are there as one of 3 topics is >>>>> Diversity. For now I did not hear anyone got a scholarship. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The others I was able to address (respect for privacy e.g. by wearing >>>>>> the special tag that photos are not desirable) but this one had me >>>>>> wondering. I told her she could sign up for the mailing lists but she >>>>>> preferred the discussion went through me. She's quite sensitive with her >>>>>> personal data, perhaps too much so, but of course I respect her >>>>>> hesitation. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I see. What do you think makes her so sensitive? Was she experiencing >>>>> some kind of trauma? Most adult LGBT+ people did in one way or another. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It so happens that I have done a lot of reading on the issue, for >>>>>> totally different reasons, and I can confirm that incidents have occured >>>>>> in >>>>>> settings where an individual who is male on all accounts (physical >>>>>> features) enters a female space (restrooms, lockers) by self-identifying >>>>>> as >>>>>> a woman and then proceeds to harass women using the space. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Interesting. Do you mind sharing the references to that literature? >>>>> Maybe this is worth a Wikipedia article? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not saying it's a frequent occurence, or that it will happen at >>>>>> Wikimania (haha she actually liked the name of the annual event :) but it >>>>>> is a valid concern that needs to be addressed, if the organisers want all >>>>>> participants to feel safe and comfortable. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I agree for valid concerns to be addressed whenever possible. I would >>>>> love to learn how this can be proven valid. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> In the past these issues would go by "rule of thumb": you see a man >>>>>> in the women's toilets, you report it. Now I'm confused: if you report >>>>>> it, >>>>>> would you be offending the gender access policy for the restrooms? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I do not know. I am queer identifying and male presenting, though not >>>>> always and in the most patriarchal normative ways. I would not go around >>>>> reporting people from just being around, but that is my choice as I feel I >>>>> have no traumas with gender representation, but ideological ones with >>>>> rightwing Croatian extremist who obducted the HR Wikipedia for decade and >>>>> were visiting Wikimanias and CEE Meetings without WMF's intervention for a >>>>> decade. >>>>> >>>>> Self-identification can be tricky... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure what you mean. I think if people are not putting others >>>>> in direct danger through action, usually I am OK with whatever they >>>>> identify as long as it is legal (no Nazi symbols and similar..) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> That said, I would be happy to participate in any discussions on the >>>>>> topic, provided I can fit them into my hectic schedule (more hectic than >>>>>> I >>>>>> care, which is one of the reasons I have not edited in quite a while...) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Indeed, maybe you should reconsider if you travel too much and edit >>>>> too little and pass on the chance to others? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again :) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You are most welcome! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 24 Jun 2023, 08:59 Željko Blaće, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Mina! I am not sure if we got to meet online, but I see you are >>>>>>> Greek and involved in Outreach activities so I hope we will eventually >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> meet in person in the Balkans. Meanwhile I see you attended many >>>>>>> Wikimanias >>>>>>> and glad to see you have friendly friends who claim to be pro diversity >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> confortable with LGBTQ folx, so I am curious about the one you ask >>>>>>> a question for. Is she not comfortable asking this question herself? >>>>>>> Why do >>>>>>> you think that is the case? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Queering Wikipedia 2023 event organizing team is planning offline >>>>>>> events and we would like to have them welcoming to all well intendended >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> tolerant folx. I am curious to know which exact incidents of harassment >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> 'males who identify as women' do you refer to? Also as you think it is a >>>>>>> valid concern, I would love to know why you think this could happen in >>>>>>> Wikimania? Because people are mostly Wikipedians and Wikimedians? (hope >>>>>>> your friend did not misunderstand the wikiMANIA part of the brand) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unrelated to our context, do you and your friend think harassment >>>>>>> happens because someone is not-cis? >>>>>>> I would think it is mostly because those people are harassers and >>>>>>> they are in bigger numbers as cis. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for your answers in advance! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best Z. Blace >>>>>>> >>>>>>> p.s. As a neo-nazi and right-wing militants attack victim (also >>>>>>> known to be on their lists) I would love to raise concerns over >>>>>>> tolerance >>>>>>> for neo-nazi, right-wing and pro-gun militants in Wikimedia, but there >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> historically no or very little support for concrete work, so I would >>>>>>> love >>>>>>> for us to brainstorm at one point what makes sense to do, where and >>>>>>> when. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 8:23 PM Mina Theofilatou < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not sure if this is the right thread to ask, but on behalf of a >>>>>>>> friend who is considering attending I'd like to know about the policy >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> gendered restrooms in the conference venue. She is very comfortable >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> the LGBTQ community and celebrates diversity, but is concerned about >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> possibility of AMAB individuals who self-identify as women using the >>>>>>>> women's restrooms. I have been to several Wikimanias and I don't >>>>>>>> recall any >>>>>>>> related problems having occurred, but I do see that it is a vald >>>>>>>> concern as >>>>>>>> there have been incidients of harassment by males who identify as >>>>>>>> women in >>>>>>>> other public events. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, best wishes for a safe and fruitful Wikimania :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jun 2023, 20:22 Wikimania, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Many of you are starting to plan your trips, and we’ve been >>>>>>>>> receiving a lot of questions related to travel to Singapore: visas, >>>>>>>>> vaccines, hotels, weather… We invite you to take a look at our Travel >>>>>>>>> page on the Wikimania Wiki >>>>>>>>> <https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Travel>, with subpages >>>>>>>>> for e-visas, attendee information, and accommodations. Feel free to >>>>>>>>> leave a >>>>>>>>> message on any relevant talk pages or reach out to us at >>>>>>>>> [email protected] <http://[email protected]> if >>>>>>>>> anything is unclear or incomplete. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To highlight one point–many countries are visa-free for Singapore, >>>>>>>>> but everyone needs to fill out a Singapore entry card before arrival. >>>>>>>>> Also >>>>>>>>> Singapore requires a yellow fever vaccine from many countries–please >>>>>>>>> see if >>>>>>>>> yours is on the list! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Butch Bustria* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On behalf of the Core Organizing Team >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Boodarwun >>> Gnangarra >>> 'ngany dabakarn koorliny arn boodjera dardoon ngalang Nyungar >>> koortaboodjar' >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >
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