On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 3:14 AM Gnangarra <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Zeljko > > Your comment is uncalled for; > Hi Gnangarra. Firstly I did not make a comment but a question. It was also towards someone who felt too busy to do edits *(which is fair, I do also), but was regretting it publicly while doing a lot of work for a friend that is interested to participate but also be very anxious over multiple things that could be interpreted as transphobia. > scholarships are distributed according to many varied criteria every > application is independently reviewed by the team. > I did not open the question of criteria, but if you feel like you wanna share more as a person leading this work I would encourage you to do it publicly and systematically on Wikimania pages. > Each application as scored is then compared across the region maximising > the best candidates, > Interesting. So the list will have regional and national listings of awardees? Was it done that way before? Looking forward to see this info. > each year its been the COT that have decided what criteria to focus on. > Interesting. I would think it was a mix of established norms and program focus. This year the criteria was collaboration through outreach, and developing > new communities because everyone contributes in different ways. > Fascinating. I look forward to see people who do great work here and also who are close runners up. I see myself primarily as Outreach person *(would love to see Outreach wiki re-gain momentum) and really wanna know of people that are even more enthusiastic and productive in this direction. > One thing has always remained consistent that is we discuss the topic not > the individual, please refrain from judging the individual in future > comments. > I am sorry you felt this was judging *(usually you should be in power to do so), as I mostly echoed self-stated claims and asking questions. > Not everyone has the same freedoms or experiences at home and that leads > to concerns when travelling. > Since I would have not been legal in Singapore last year this time I am well aware of this, however this is based on legal regulations not hypothetical probability. > Trust & Safety people will be readily available during the event and at > each activity, all volunteers will have T&S training and instructions on > where to contact the T&S team > That is good to know. Thank you for fast inputs, though I was not expecting or calling it for as you phrased it, but I do look forward now to *(delayed) the report on Wikimania wiki. Best wishes! On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 at 08:30, Handoko Suwono <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sorry if I am answering to the wrong thread about gender policing in >> Singapore. >> >> - handoko >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 26, 2023, 00:55 Željko Blaće <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 8:27 AM Mina Theofilatou <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi and thanks a lot for your email! >>>> >>> >>> You are most welcome. >>> >>> You also raised some super interesting topics and gave me insights in >>> your activities and Wikimania scholarship decisions I really appreciate. >>> >>> I hope you do not mind this email remaining public as I really feel it >>> is an important topic at least as much as your friend does! I hope Butch >>> does also. >>> >>> >>> >>>> This friend is not involved in the Wikimedia movement, she would be a >>>> "novice". I talked to her about Wikimania - she can self-fund herself >>>> whereas sadly I can't - and she raised some concerns. >>>> >>> >>> OK - but at least you got the scholarship so you are certain you will be >>> there? >>> I see you are not really contributing much to Wikimedia yourself also >>> https://guc.toolforge.org/?by=date&user=Saintfevrier >>> Interesting that you have been selected for a Scholarship anyway again >>> and again...is this 4th Wikimania for you? >>> >>> I hope few people from our QW2023 team are there as one of 3 topics is >>> Diversity. For now I did not hear anyone got a scholarship. >>> >>> >>>> The others I was able to address (respect for privacy e.g. by wearing >>>> the special tag that photos are not desirable) but this one had me >>>> wondering. I told her she could sign up for the mailing lists but she >>>> preferred the discussion went through me. She's quite sensitive with her >>>> personal data, perhaps too much so, but of course I respect her hesitation. >>>> >>> >>> I see. What do you think makes her so sensitive? Was she experiencing >>> some kind of trauma? Most adult LGBT+ people did in one way or another. >>> >>> >>>> It so happens that I have done a lot of reading on the issue, for >>>> totally different reasons, and I can confirm that incidents have occured in >>>> settings where an individual who is male on all accounts (physical >>>> features) enters a female space (restrooms, lockers) by self-identifying as >>>> a woman and then proceeds to harass women using the space. >>>> >>> >>> Interesting. Do you mind sharing the references to that literature? >>> Maybe this is worth a Wikipedia article? >>> >>> >>>> I'm not saying it's a frequent occurence, or that it will happen at >>>> Wikimania (haha she actually liked the name of the annual event :) but it >>>> is a valid concern that needs to be addressed, if the organisers want all >>>> participants to feel safe and comfortable. >>>> >>> >>> I agree for valid concerns to be addressed whenever possible. I would >>> love to learn how this can be proven valid. >>> >>> >>>> In the past these issues would go by "rule of thumb": you see a man in >>>> the women's toilets, you report it. Now I'm confused: if you report it, >>>> would you be offending the gender access policy for the restrooms? >>>> >>> >>> I do not know. I am queer identifying and male presenting, though not >>> always and in the most patriarchal normative ways. I would not go around >>> reporting people from just being around, but that is my choice as I feel I >>> have no traumas with gender representation, but ideological ones with >>> rightwing Croatian extremist who obducted the HR Wikipedia for decade and >>> were visiting Wikimanias and CEE Meetings without WMF's intervention for a >>> decade. >>> >>> Self-identification can be tricky... >>>> >>> >>> I am not sure what you mean. I think if people are not putting others in >>> direct danger through action, usually I am OK with whatever they identify >>> as long as it is legal (no Nazi symbols and similar..) >>> >>> >>>> That said, I would be happy to participate in any discussions on the >>>> topic, provided I can fit them into my hectic schedule (more hectic than I >>>> care, which is one of the reasons I have not edited in quite a while...) >>>> >>> >>> Indeed, maybe you should reconsider if you travel too much and edit too >>> little and pass on the chance to others? >>> >>> Thanks again :) >>>> >>> >>> You are most welcome! >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 24 Jun 2023, 08:59 Željko Blaće, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Mina! I am not sure if we got to meet online, but I see you are >>>>> Greek and involved in Outreach activities so I hope we will eventually >>>>> even >>>>> meet in person in the Balkans. Meanwhile I see you attended many >>>>> Wikimanias >>>>> and glad to see you have friendly friends who claim to be pro diversity >>>>> and >>>>> confortable with LGBTQ folx, so I am curious about the one you ask >>>>> a question for. Is she not comfortable asking this question herself? Why >>>>> do >>>>> you think that is the case? >>>>> >>>>> Queering Wikipedia 2023 event organizing team is planning offline >>>>> events and we would like to have them welcoming to all well intendended >>>>> and >>>>> tolerant folx. I am curious to know which exact incidents of harassment by >>>>> 'males who identify as women' do you refer to? Also as you think it is a >>>>> valid concern, I would love to know why you think this could happen in >>>>> Wikimania? Because people are mostly Wikipedians and Wikimedians? (hope >>>>> your friend did not misunderstand the wikiMANIA part of the brand) >>>>> >>>>> Unrelated to our context, do you and your friend think harassment >>>>> happens because someone is not-cis? >>>>> I would think it is mostly because those people are harassers and they >>>>> are in bigger numbers as cis. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for your answers in advance! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best Z. Blace >>>>> >>>>> p.s. As a neo-nazi and right-wing militants attack victim (also known >>>>> to be on their lists) I would love to raise concerns over tolerance for >>>>> neo-nazi, right-wing and pro-gun militants in Wikimedia, but there was >>>>> historically no or very little support for concrete work, so I would love >>>>> for us to brainstorm at one point what makes sense to do, where and when. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 8:23 PM Mina Theofilatou < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure if this is the right thread to ask, but on behalf of a >>>>>> friend who is considering attending I'd like to know about the policy on >>>>>> gendered restrooms in the conference venue. She is very comfortable with >>>>>> the LGBTQ community and celebrates diversity, but is concerned about the >>>>>> possibility of AMAB individuals who self-identify as women using the >>>>>> women's restrooms. I have been to several Wikimanias and I don't recall >>>>>> any >>>>>> related problems having occurred, but I do see that it is a vald concern >>>>>> as >>>>>> there have been incidients of harassment by males who identify as women >>>>>> in >>>>>> other public events. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, best wishes for a safe and fruitful Wikimania :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jun 2023, 20:22 Wikimania, <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many of you are starting to plan your trips, and we’ve been >>>>>>> receiving a lot of questions related to travel to Singapore: visas, >>>>>>> vaccines, hotels, weather… We invite you to take a look at our Travel >>>>>>> page on the Wikimania Wiki >>>>>>> <https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Travel>, with subpages >>>>>>> for e-visas, attendee information, and accommodations. Feel free to >>>>>>> leave a >>>>>>> message on any relevant talk pages or reach out to us at >>>>>>> [email protected] <http://[email protected]> if >>>>>>> anything is unclear or incomplete. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To highlight one point–many countries are visa-free for Singapore, >>>>>>> but everyone needs to fill out a Singapore entry card before arrival. >>>>>>> Also >>>>>>> Singapore requires a yellow fever vaccine from many countries–please >>>>>>> see if >>>>>>> yours is on the list! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Butch Bustria* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On behalf of the Core Organizing Team >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> > > > -- > Boodarwun > Gnangarra > 'ngany dabakarn koorliny arn boodjera dardoon ngalang Nyungar > koortaboodjar' > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >
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