Chris, I don’t think drawing lots is the solution. If anything, even more attention should be given to applicants’ including their editing history and or other active participation, and whether or not they have planned a presentation. I have to say I have met people at the conferences who admitted to me they simply made an application in the hope of receiving a scholarship and just got lucky. This of course is our fault as former committee members, but being on that commitee as it is organised, is one heck of a big job.
Kudpung > On 05, Jun2018, at 22:53, Chris Keating <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thinking about it, drawing lots might not be the silliest idea in the > universe. > > After all, ability to write a great application is at best a rough > proxy for actual impact. Why not have a less granular system that > filters out the "clear No"s and then allocate the remaining places by > ballot, taking into account the demographics/projects that need to be > represented? > > Chris > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 4:19 PM, DerHexer <[email protected]> wrote: >> That's true: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Wikimania_scholars/Reviewer%27s_guide#Score_adjustment_for_previous_scholars >> (that this is not the perfect system is well known to everyone in the >> committee which, as Mardetanha said, changes every year—it's still very hard >> to implement a process which does not favor these who are used to write good >> applications if we don't draw lots). >> >> We had to start the scholarship processes at some point due to visa >> regulations, unfortunately before the program team could finish their >> process. For that reason, the scholarship committee proposed to save some >> money for people who could not hold their presentations without a >> scholarship. But in the end, it's the WMF who thankfully manages all the >> outcomes and the jury only evalutes the applications at some point. >> >> Best, >> Martin/DerHexer >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Von: Sjoerd de Bruin <[email protected]> >> An: Wikimania general list (open subscription) >> <[email protected]> >> Gesendet: 17:15 Freitag, 1.Juni 2018 >> Betreff: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 146, Issue 1 >> >> I think that is already included in scholarship applications, if I remember >> correctly. >> >> Greetings, >> >> Sjoerd de Bruin >> >> Op 1 jun. 2018, om 17:06 heeft Julie Workman <[email protected]> het >> volgende geschreven: >> >> Is there at present any metric by which previous scholarship attendees are >> judged on their dissemination of Wikimania experiences after the conference? >> The complaint being brought up is not only about awardees getting repeat >> scholarships, but failing to enrich their communities afterwards with what >> they learned / what it was like / who they met / what they will do now. With >> a limited number of scholarships available, it is true that the attendees >> are expected to share their good fortune with those who couldn't attend. >> >> If nothing like that is in place, could it not be added? For example, a >> field on the application: "were you awarded a scholarship last year (and >> attended)?" "If yes, please describe (and provide links where possible) to >> the activities and discussions you organised with your community regarding >> your experience at Wikimania". If a sufficiently good and detailed response >> is not provided, the application can receive a lower score (or possibly be >> discarded...? I'm not au fait with the process). >> >> Julia W >> >> On 1 June 2018 at 13:00, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Send Wikimania-l mailing list submissions to >> [email protected]. org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/ mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> wikimania-l-request@lists. wikimedia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wikimania-l-owner@lists. wikimedia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wikimania-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Update on Wikimania '18 (Pine W) >> 2. Re: Update on Wikimania '18 (cs) >> >> >> ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ---------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 18:31:08 -0700 >> From: Pine W <[email protected]> >> To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" >> <[email protected]. org> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Update on Wikimania '18 >> Message-ID: >> <CAF= dyJinVGV5eM7vBi7SFDLcqyLP4yakD [email protected]. >> com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter >> the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF >> presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a >> one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and >> have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens >> with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of >> financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system >> is a perennial point of friction. >> >> Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review >> of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With >> WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers >> spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would >> make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to >> synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring >> that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time >> that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship >> system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for >> scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't >> envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that >> some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the WMF >> strategic plan and with SMART goals. >> >> Pine >> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/User:Pine ) >> >> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the >>> other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on >>> scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board >>> members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same >>> old >>> faces year in, year out. >>> >>> Harry Mitchell >>> http://enwp.org/User:HJ >>> +44 (0) 7507 536 971 >>> Skype: harry_j_mitchell >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/ pipermail/wikimania-l/ >> attachments/20180531/42687ccd/ attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 08:58:35 +0700 >> From: cs <[email protected]> >> To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" >> <[email protected]. org> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Update on Wikimania '18 >> Message-ID: <28D68047-E5DC-4B96-BF0C- [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I have attended several Wikimanias. >> I would have thought that with the Wikipedias being voluntary >> contributed and managed projects, that the conference shoud have a sharp >> focus on attendance and presentations by the communities. >> However, this is not the case. Presentation time is, IMO, excessively >> allocated to various speakers from the salaried staff. >> This has been brought up on several occasions. >> In some instances, some presentations have had almost duplicate content. >> Many Foundations take on a promotional aspect of the WMF’s work. >> The credit for the entire movement should go to the community >> volunteers. >> >> Kudpung >> >>> On 01, Jun2018, at 08:31, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter >>> the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF >>> presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a >>> one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and >>> have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens with >>> Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of financial >>> cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system is a >>> perennial point of friction. >>> >>> Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review >>> of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With >>> WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers >>> spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would >>> make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to synchronize >>> with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring that there are >>> SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time that goes into >>> Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship system could be >>> reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for scholarships and how to >>> align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't envision reducing funding for >>> Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that some re-thinking and evaluation >>> would be good to align funding with the WMF strategic plan and with SMART >>> goals. >>> >>> Pine >>> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/User:Pine <https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>> wiki/User:Pine> ) >>> >>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the >>> other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on >>> scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board >>> members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same old >>> faces year in, year out. >>> >>> Harry Mitchell >>> http://enwp.org/User:HJ <http://enwp.org/User:HJ> >>> +44 (0) 7507 536 971 >>> Skype: harry_j_mitchell >>> >>> ______________________________ _________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected]. org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/ mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/ pipermail/wikimania-l/ >> attachments/20180601/da922580/ attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> ______________________________ _________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected]. org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/ mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 146, Issue 1 >> ****************************** ************* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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