Thinking about it, drawing lots might not be the silliest idea in the universe.

After all, ability to write a great application is at best a rough
proxy for actual impact. Why not have a less granular system that
filters out the "clear No"s and then allocate the remaining places by
ballot, taking into account the demographics/projects that need to be
represented?

Chris


On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 4:19 PM, DerHexer <[email protected]> wrote:
> That's true:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Wikimania_scholars/Reviewer%27s_guide#Score_adjustment_for_previous_scholars
> (that this is not the perfect system is well known to everyone in the
> committee which, as Mardetanha said, changes every year—it's still very hard
> to implement a process which does not favor these who are used to write good
> applications if we don't draw lots).
>
> We had to start the scholarship processes at some point due to visa
> regulations, unfortunately before the program team could finish their
> process. For that reason, the scholarship committee proposed to save some
> money for people who could not hold their presentations without a
> scholarship. But in the end, it's the WMF who thankfully manages all the
> outcomes and the jury only evalutes the applications at some point.
>
> Best,
> Martin/DerHexer
>
>
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> Von: Sjoerd de Bruin <[email protected]>
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> Gesendet: 17:15 Freitag, 1.Juni 2018
> Betreff: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 146, Issue 1
>
> I think that is already included in scholarship applications, if I remember
> correctly.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Sjoerd de Bruin
>
> Op 1 jun. 2018, om 17:06 heeft Julie Workman <[email protected]> het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> Is there at present any metric by which previous scholarship attendees are
> judged on their dissemination of Wikimania experiences after the conference?
> The complaint being brought up is not only about awardees getting repeat
> scholarships, but failing to enrich their communities afterwards with what
> they learned / what it was like / who they met / what they will do now. With
> a limited number of scholarships available, it is true that the attendees
> are expected to share their good fortune with those who couldn't attend.
>
> If nothing like that is in place, could it not be added? For example, a
> field on the application: "were you awarded a scholarship last year (and
> attended)?" "If yes, please describe (and provide links where possible) to
> the activities and discussions you organised with your community regarding
> your experience at Wikimania". If a sufficiently good and detailed response
> is not provided, the application can receive a lower score (or possibly be
> discarded...? I'm not au fait with the process).
>
> Julia W
>
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> Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter
> the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF
> presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a
> one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and
> have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens
> with Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of
> financial cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system
> is a perennial point of friction.
>
> Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review
> of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With
> WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers
> spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would
> make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to
> synchronize with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring
> that there are SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time
> that goes into Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship
> system could be reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for
> scholarships and how to align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't
> envision reducing funding for Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that
> some re-thinking and evaluation would be good to align funding with the WMF
> strategic plan and with SMART goals.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/User:Pine )
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the
>> other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on
>> scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board
>> members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same
>> old
>> faces year in, year out.
>>
>> Harry Mitchell
>> http://enwp.org/User:HJ
>> +44 (0) 7507 536 971
>> Skype: harry_j_mitchell
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> From: cs <[email protected]>
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> I  have attended several  Wikimanias.
> I  would have thought  that  with  the Wikipedias being voluntary
> contributed and managed projects, that  the conference shoud have a sharp
> focus on  attendance and presentations by  the communities.
> However, this is not  the case. Presentation  time is, IMO, excessively
> allocated to  various  speakers from the salaried staff.
> This has been brought  up  on several  occasions.
> In some instances, some presentations have had almost  duplicate  content.
> Many  Foundations take on  a promotional aspect  of the WMF’s work.
> The credit  for  the entire movement  should go  to  the community
> volunteers.
>
> Kudpung
>
>> On 01, Jun2018, at 08:31, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Harry, I recall hearing that there was a push a year or two back to alter
>> the proportion of presentations at Wikimania so that there were fewer WMF
>> presentations and more community presentations. I don't know if that was a
>> one time event or if that's ongoing. I have never been to Wikimania, and
>> have no plans to go in the foreseeable future, but I watch what happens with
>> Wikimania partly because it's an expensive operation in terms of financial
>> cost and in terms of volunteer time. Also, the scholarship system is a
>> perennial point of friction.
>>
>> Dariusz or Ellie, are there any thoughts at WMF about doing a full review
>> of the scholarship system and the value of Wikimania to the community? With
>> WMF spending so much money on Wikimania year after year, and volunteers
>> spending so much time on Wikimania year after year, I think that it would
>> make sense to do this type of review, which might be possible to synchronize
>> with WMF's strategy process. I am very interested in ensuring that there are
>> SMART goals being achieved with all of the money and time that goes into
>> Wikimania. At the same time, I think that the scholarship system could be
>> reviewed to consider the strategic priorities for scholarships and how to
>> align those priorities to SMART goals. I don't envision reducing funding for
>> Wikimania and scholarships, but I think that some re-thinking and evaluation
>> would be good to align funding with the WMF strategic plan and with SMART
>> goals.
>>
>> Pine
>> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/User:Pine <https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>> wiki/User:Pine> )
>>
>> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Harry Mitchell <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> Since you raise chapter scholarships, it would be nice to see some of the
>> other big chapters (and to some extent the WMF) spending more on
>> scholarships for rank-and-file Wikimedians rather than staff and board
>> members. That might help with the perception that Wikimania is the same old
>> faces year in, year out.
>>
>> Harry Mitchell
>> http://enwp.org/User:HJ <http://enwp.org/User:HJ>
>> +44 (0) 7507 536 971
>> Skype: harry_j_mitchell
>>
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