Le 09-11-24 à 20:51, Martin Perez Barreiro a écrit :
I believe it is a great thing that a wo oriented conference exists
(no mater if it is because apple dropped wo sessions), but I also
feel that would be nice if Apple as the 'owner' of WO showed some
interest on it.
We have Apple people attending WOWODC every year, and this year we
even have Apple people to present. But Apple involvement stops here.
But since Apple pulled out of many trade shows/conferences, I won't
expect Apple to help us out beside attending and maybe presenting.
I feel sometimes I invest a lot of energy on something that has a
blury future, and that fact makes getting people or clients hard to
believe developing in wo is a good choice. Maybe if just Apple show
some clear interst or a defined roadmap will be nice.
Join the club :-/ We have to make our "plan directeur" (sorry, don't
know how to translate that correctly) and we have to say that we can
continue to use WO because of Wonder and the fact that WO will work as
long as we have a JVM. But at the same time, we had a demo of how to
create forms with Visual Studio 2008 with .NET, and holy crap it's
WebObjects Builder done right.
Best regards,
M.
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Pascal Robert <[email protected]>
wrote:
Le 09-11-24 à 19:12, Lachlan Deck a écrit :
On 25/11/2009, at 11:03 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
Let's remember *why* these community conventions were organised...
because Apple, who used to offer various training in WO even
internationally at one stage has decided to offer very little.
Now it seems to me, given their WO direction, that it was good for
them to consolidate and concentrate on the frameworks - rather than
the tools etc. Having a vibrant community for your technology is not
the enemy you're making it out to be.
IMHO, nobody is making any enemies here.
Of course.
One could ague that Apple is recognizing the community and adjusting
its convention strategy accordingly. Why have WO sessions at WWDC if
such content are much better addressed at WOWODC?
I'm just making the point that Apple is not responding to the
community's drive to run conventions by pulling back - they pulled
back beforehand. Pascal didn't organise WOWODC because he wanted to
duplicate efforts. But certainly Apple being involved in WOWODC is a
good thing.
You're right, in 2007 it was organized to complement WWDC since for
a couple of years, WWDC only had a couple of WO sessions. In 2008,
we gave a voice to third-party frameworks because we know that those
topics will never be talked about at WWDC. For 2009, well we saw
that WWDC is really the iPhone show (not much IT sessions not
related to the iPhone too, it's not just WO who don't get some WWDC
love).
About teamwork for WOWODC, well I prefer not to comment on that...
But I would love that Apple put back WO session in WWDC so that I
can get back the 120 hours of time I have put in WOWODCs in 2009...
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