I believe it is a great  thing that a wo oriented conference exists (no
mater if it is because apple dropped wo sessions), but I also feel that
would be nice if Apple as the 'owner' of WO showed some interest on it.

I feel sometimes I invest a lot of energy on something that has a blury
future, and that fact makes getting people or clients hard to believe
developing in wo is a good choice. Maybe if just Apple show some clear
interst or a defined roadmap will be nice.

Best regards,
M.


On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Pascal Robert <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Le 09-11-24 à 19:12, Lachlan Deck a écrit :
>
>
>  On 25/11/2009, at 11:03 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Let's remember *why* these community conventions were organised...
>>>> because Apple, who used to offer various training in WO even 
>>>> internationally
>>>> at one stage has decided to offer very little.
>>>>
>>>> Now it seems to me, given their WO direction, that it was good for them
>>>> to consolidate and concentrate on the frameworks - rather than the tools
>>>> etc. Having a vibrant community for your technology is not the enemy you're
>>>> making it out to be.
>>>>
>>>
>>> IMHO, nobody is making any enemies here.
>>>
>>
>> Of course.
>>
>>  One could ague that Apple is recognizing the community and adjusting its
>>> convention strategy accordingly. Why have WO sessions at WWDC if such
>>> content are much better addressed at WOWODC?
>>>
>>
>> I'm just making the point that Apple is not responding to the community's
>> drive to run conventions by pulling back - they pulled back beforehand.
>> Pascal didn't organise WOWODC because he wanted to duplicate efforts. But
>> certainly Apple being involved in WOWODC is a good thing.
>>
>
> You're right, in 2007 it was organized to complement WWDC since for a
> couple of years, WWDC only had a couple of WO sessions. In 2008, we gave a
> voice to third-party frameworks because we know that those topics will never
> be talked about at WWDC. For 2009, well we saw that WWDC is really the
> iPhone show (not much IT sessions not related to the iPhone too, it's not
> just WO who don't get some WWDC love).
>
> About teamwork for WOWODC, well I prefer not to comment on that... But I
> would love that Apple put back WO session in WWDC so that I can get back the
> 120 hours of time I have put in WOWODCs in 2009...
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