I imagine they are doing that too. I'm just saying that the incremental cost of supporting/marketing (they already develop it?) WO:
1. Wouldn't even be measurable to investors. 2. Could lay the ground work for a future marketplace. There must be some other reason that isn't obvious to me. I'm super curious as to what that is. But getting to what Martin said in another email - there are other alternatives. I was looking at an Android phone this weekend - it's pretty close to the iPhone. That could put a lot of price pressure on what has been a high margin business for Apple. Best, Johnny On Nov 24, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > Given their track record, I think they (and the shareholders) would be best > served by using the money to invent the next iPhone like paradigm changing > device. iPhone, iPod, iMac, they seem to have some serious skills in this > area. > > Chuck > > > On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Johnny Miller wrote: > >> Hi Martin, >> >> I'm not arguing that at all. I'm just saying I don't understand the logic >> they are using. >> >> Apple has tons of cash. So they can use that cash to buy companies, spend >> it on R & D, invest it or horde it/pay taxes. >> >> Apple doesn't make many major acquisitions. So, if they horde it in the >> bank then it depreciates in value because interest rates are so low and >> inflation is high. Or they can give it to Uncle Sam in the form of taxes. >> >> Why not spend a little bit a money on WO? They are going to lose the money >> anyway. >> >> Johnny >> An AAPL Shareholder >> >> On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Martin Perez Barreiro wrote: >> >>> Apple listens to Apple. Im not sure how much they care about WO developers >>> right now, come on! just looking at wwdc talks you can get the feeling wo >>> is not an important thin for Apple right now (at least wo developers >>> outside Apple labs). >>> >>> My 2 cents. >>> >>> kind regards, >>> Martin. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Johnny Miller <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> I agree that it's not smart to wait for Apple and I for one can continue >>> using WO by relying on the aid of the Wonder community. >>> >>> But HP and IBM are 100 billion dollar + companies. At some point to grow >>> revenue Apple is going to have to go back into the enterprise. >>> >>> I just don't understand why Apple doesn't treat WO as a loss leader until >>> they are ready to diversify from consumer related products. They could >>> have a great story in a vibrant community with lots of different kinds of >>> apps deployed. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> >>> Johnny >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Anjo Krank wrote: >>> >>> > Apple is a (what's it now 20? 30?) billion dollar company. They are (and >>> > should be) driven by what benefits their shareholders. It *may* be that >>> > some push from inside of Apple by some more enthusiastic developers >>> > inside of Apple *may* result in some - er, I can hardly say the word >>> > without a giggle fit - "speedier" release process. >>> > >>> > But frankly, there is ample evidence to the contrary, that no matter how >>> > much prodding, begging or bitching will change the actual results in the >>> > slightest. >>> > >>> > So I'd say that waiting for them to do something is plain stupid. If you >>> > rely on that, you're dead in the water. You just may not know it :) And >>> > btw, I'm "stuck" with 5.3.whatever and so far had no real problem with it. >>> > >>> > Cheers, Anjo >>> > >>> > >>> > Am 24.11.2009 um 22:20 schrieb Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists: >>> > >>> >> This is funny; however, from our experience, Apple does actually listen >>> >> to us, and showing them an "i don't care" attitude will most likely >>> >> result in us being stuck with 5.4.3 & Wonder, and Apple keeping >>> >> WebObjects to themselves, and we'll never be synchronized with the >>> >> latest and greatest Apple versions again, because we think we can all do >>> >> it on our own. Very smart. >>> >> >>> >> With Kind Regards, >>> >> >>> >> Dennis Gaastra, >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 2009-11-24, at 12:04 PM, Anjo Krank wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Jesus. Apple will do what they want. Nothing you, I or anybody else >>> >>> says or does will make much of a difference. Nor should we really care, >>> >>> it's not like they did something useful in the last 5 years or so. >>> >>> >>> >>> You sound like they were some sort of rain god. "Let's show we are >>> >>> loyal, or else HE might smite us like the flies we are!" >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, Anjo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 24.11.2009 um 20:36 schrieb Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists: >>> >>> >>> >>>> If we want Apple to release new WebObjects versions, beyond 5.4.3, to >>> >>>> the community, the worst thing we can do is talking about Windows and >>> >>>> Linux. We should be very clear about this: if we expect Apple to do >>> >>>> anything for us in the regard, we should be loyal to Apple by only >>> >>>> developing and deploying on Apple equipment. Otherwise, I am afraid >>> >>>> that 5.4.3 will be the last version we will ever see... >>> >>>> >>> >>>> With Kind Regards, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Dennis Gaastra, >>> >>>> Chief Technology Officer, >>> >>>> WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> This message contains confidential information and is intended only >>> >>>> for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you >>> >>>> should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify >>> >>>> the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by >>> >>>> mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission >>> >>>> cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could >>> >>>> be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, >>> >>>> or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for >>> >>>> any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise >>> >>>> as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please >>> >>>> request a hard-copy version. WEBAPPZ Systems, Inc., 726 - 1489 Marine >>> >>>> Drive, West Vancouver, BC, CANADA V7T 1B8, www.webappz.com >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 2009-11-24, at 10:19 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> 1) The customer sometimes is willing to compromise and give you a >>> >>>>> Linux box ... deployment on Linux is as easy as Mac more-or-less. So, >>> >>>>> if they won't let you use Mac, ask if you can use Linux.... and setup >>> >>>>> CentOS or RHEL on it. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> 2) Project Wonder has source for Adaptors. I see IIS adaptor source >>> >>>>> in there. No idea how good it is: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> /Wonder/Utilities/Adaptors/IIS/ >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> HTH, Kieran >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Ralph Scheuer wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Hello everybody, >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> due to the fact that some of our customers use Windows servers, I >>> >>>>>> would be interested how others deploy their WO apps on Windows these >>> >>>>>> days... >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> The wiki only refers to Apache when it comes to WO 5.4 on Windows >>> >>>>>> and does not mention IIS... >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> However, some customers need specific IIS features like >>> >>>>>> Single-Sign-On via ActiveDirectory or do not want another web server >>> >>>>>> for political reasons. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> How do you deal with that? >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Is it still possible to use the old 5.2 adaptors (CGI or ISAPI) with >>> >>>>>> modern IIS versions and WO 5.4? How about 64-bit-ness? >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Would it be possible to set up WO 5.2 and just replace all the >>> >>>>>> frameworks with the 5.4 equivalents so that at least the CGI adaptor >>> >>>>>> (WebObjects.exe) from the old version works? >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Has Apple ever released the source of the Windows adaptors so that >>> >>>>>> they could be recompiled for 64-bit IIS? >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Thanks for your input. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Ralph >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> >>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>> >>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> >>>>>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kieran_lists%40mac.com >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> This email sent to [email protected] >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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