Talking about editors I suggest ace from mozilla, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_%28editor%29
BTW, as example, this is an app we are developing on with SwellRT as backend: http://staging.teem.works , -it is the staging version, you can play! ;)- 2016-03-15 17:12 GMT+01:00 Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com>: > No, not really. Javascript on client side is enough - this is how it was > originally implemented in microwave by antimatter. > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 6:08 PM Thomas Wrobel <darkfl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Ah, right. I am all for realtime, merely that I was also happy to lose > > it if it meant significantly more simple implementation. > > > > >>"Otherwise we can use Robot > > >>API - like in https://github.com/vega113/microbox"; > > > > Not keen on RobotAPI as every time I read its use it seems to need an > > extra server in the chain/ > > ie; > > ...<>WaveServer <> Google App Engine <> client > > > > It should be possible with the web today to avoid that and have > > clients connect directly to the wave server no? (hopefully using the > > same protocol as any desktop/mobile client). > > Of course, I assume you could run host both servers on the same > > hardware, but still seems unnecessary to have that extra step. > > > > > > -- > > http://lostagain.nl <-- our company site. > > http://fanficmaker.com <-- our, really,really, bad story generator. > > > > > > On 15 March 2016 at 16:48, Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yeah, the intention is to have realtime editing. Otherwise we can use > > Robot > > > API - like in https://github.com/vega113/microbox > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 5:45 PM Thomas Wrobel <darkfl...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Does it need to be OT aware on that scale? I thought that was only > > >> needed to have fully realtime blip updating rather then a "edit + > > >> submit" system. (whereupon the differences could be calculated > > >> separately from the editing) > > >> Is the intention then to still have realtime editing ? or is this > > >> needed anyway regardless? > > >> > > >> I admit I only know the basics of OT and am vaguely remembering a > > >> conversation about realtime blip editing adding complexity to things. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> http://lostagain.nl <-- our company site. > > >> http://fanficmaker.com <-- our, really,really, bad story generator. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 15 March 2016 at 16:30, Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > Not really. You would need to make it OT aware. and then make it > > >> efficient. > > >> > Lot's of effort. > > >> > > > >> > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 5:24 PM Thomas Wrobel <darkfl...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> As a side, I noticed Michael MacFadden mentioned building a rich > text > > >> >> editor in the browser, this much at least have been done in GWT > > >> >> libraries; > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > http://www.gwtproject.org/javadoc/latest/com/google/gwt/user/client/ui/RichTextArea.html > > >> >> > > >> >> Its fairly basic, but then, I would assume to start with at least > any > > >> >> new wave client should stay fairly basic? > > >> >> -- > > >> >> http://lostagain.nl <-- our company site. > > >> >> http://fanficmaker.com <-- our, really,really, bad story > generator. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> On 15 March 2016 at 15:48, Yuri Z <vega...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> > Yeah, we need to re-use the existing editor. Patches would be > > great! > > >> >> > > > >> >> > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:46 PM Pablo Ojanguren < > > pablo...@gmail.com> > > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> Hi, > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> I agree with the dependency hell issue and the suggestion for > > >> throwing > > >> >> >> away the GWT client. This would require a new client-server API > as > > >> >> >> suggested, however I think a Rest API won't be enough, because > > real > > >> >> editing > > >> >> >> needs websocket. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> I also agree with Michael, developing a new editor is a massive > > >> task, so > > >> >> >> we should use an existing one and plug it in the new API. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> To write again the server in other language would be great, but > I > > >> think > > >> >> it > > >> >> >> requires a huge effort. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> I will be happy to help in decoupling the server-client, I can > > >> provide > > >> >> the > > >> >> >> experience from my fork. And I plan to send some patches to Wave > > >> soon. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> These are some slides about my fork (swellrt) it could give you > > some > > >> >> ideas: > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1WFDS_m7eyNjBjcdPs0zH496Y9bMSl0_JnSEYGjxNFn0/edit?usp=sharing > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/18hMYyECo5EmQsrAb8DT6SkO7LksWVJnhdZmqeCsar4c/edit?usp=sharing > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> btw, I would like to start a business providing these SwellRT > > >> services. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> 2016-03-14 23:27 GMT+01:00 Joseph Gentle <m...@josephg.com>: > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >>> I've been playing with the idea of starting a company around a > > >> rewrite > > >> >> of > > >> >> >>> wave for years. > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> -J > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> On Tuesday, 15 March 2016, Adam Bielski > > <a_biel...@ymail.com.invalid > > >> > > > >> >> >>> wrote: > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > Hiya all!I wish I could find out who is potentially > interested > > in > > >> >> >>> creating > > >> >> >>> > the WAVE for a commercial service/productwith my seed > > >> startup!Cheers! > > >> >> >>> > Adam > > >> >> >>> > > > >> >> >>> > 20:23 poniedziałek, 2016-3-14, Zachary Yaro < > > zmy...@gmail.com > > >> >> >>> > <javascript:;>> napisał(a): > > >> >> >>> > > > >> >> >>> > > > >> >> >>> > I am inclined to agree with Yuri—if the alternative > > >> implementation > > >> >> can > > >> >> >>> be > > >> >> >>> > developed in parallel around the same protocol, that would > seem > > >> to be > > >> >> >>> the > > >> >> >>> > best scenario, but the existing codebase should be kept > because > > >> it is > > >> >> >>> > (AFAIK) the most functional implementation of the protocol. > > >> >> >>> > > > >> >> >>> > Zachary Yaro > > >> >> >>> > On Mar 14, 2016 15:05, "Yuri Z" <vega...@gmail.com > > >> <javascript:;>> > > >> >> >>> wrote: > > >> >> >>> > > > >> >> >>> > > I think that more "wavy" projects are nice, but IMO it > > doesn't > > >> >> mean we > > >> >> >>> > > should abandon Apache Wave as it is now. I agree there are > a > > >> lot of > > >> >> >>> > issues > > >> >> >>> > > with current code, but I think there's still value as > people > > can > > >> >> see > > >> >> >>> what > > >> >> >>> > > Wave can potentially be. > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> >> >>> > > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 8:46 AM Evan Hughes < > > >> >> wisebald...@apache.org > > >> >> >>> > <javascript:;>> > > >> >> >>> > > wrote: > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> >> >>> > > > The link for those who wish to join, Ill also add this > link > > >> onto > > >> >> the > > >> >> >>> > new > > >> >> >>> > > > website. > > >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >>> > > > https://www.hipchat.com/gsModF8CY > > >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >>> > > > On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 at 12:12 Michael MacFadden < > > >> >> >>> > > > michael.macfad...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> > > >> >> >>> > > > wrote: > > >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >>> > > > > Yeah. Chatting is fine and beneficial. We just need to > > make > > >> >> sure > > >> >> >>> we > > >> >> >>> > > > > capture key decisions and rationale back in the list > for > > >> all to > > >> >> >>> see. > > >> >> >>> > > > > > > >> >> >>> > > > > ~Michael > > >> >> >>> > > > > > > >> >> >>> > > > > > On Mar 12, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Evan Hughes < > > >> >> >>> wisebald...@apache.org > > >> >> >>> > <javascript:;>> > > >> >> >>> > > > wrote: > > >> >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> >>> > > > > > It does not so as Ive seen other projects state this > > motto > > >> >> "If > > >> >> >>> its > > >> >> >>> > > not > > >> >> >>> > > > on > > >> >> >>> > > > > > the mailing list it didnt happen at all", but allows > > for > > >> non > > >> >> >>> formal > > >> >> >>> > > > talk > > >> >> >>> > > > > > and back and forth discussion realtime. The Monthly > > >> reports > > >> >> >>> that we > > >> >> >>> > > > > talked > > >> >> >>> > > > > > about back when we did the hangout session should > > >> probably be > > >> >> >>> > picked > > >> >> >>> > > up > > >> >> >>> > > > > > again, ill add it to the monthly todo's. > > >> >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> >>> > > > > > On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 at 11:58 Michael MacFadden < > > >> >> >>> > > > > michael.macfad...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > > wrote: > > >> >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> One follow up question though. Does hip hat store > > >> >> conversations > > >> >> >>> > in a > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> publicly accessible manner? If not, we need to make > > sure > > >> >> key > > >> >> >>> > > > decisions > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> that come out of chats are captured and discussed on > > the > > >> >> >>> mailing > > >> >> >>> > > list > > >> >> >>> > > > > for > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> all to see. > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> ~Michael > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Evan Hughes < > > >> >> >>> wisebald...@apache.org > > >> >> >>> > <javascript:;>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > wrote: > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>> I would get infra to make us a hipchat channel so > we > > >> have > > >> >> some > > >> >> >>> > > place > > >> >> >>> > > > to > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>> talk casually web interface / irc, but seesm the > > jira's > > >> >> down. > > >> >> >>> > > Looking > > >> >> >>> > > > > to > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>> getting this rolling in some way or another by mid > > week. > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>> ~ Evan > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 at 19:48 Evan Hughes < > > >> >> >>> > wisebald...@apache.org <javascript:;>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> wrote: > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>> The client-server protocol would define a protobuf > > and > > >> >> json > > >> >> >>> rest > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> services > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>> so any language that support protocol buffers > would > > be > > >> >> able > > >> >> >>> to > > >> >> >>> > > make > > >> >> >>> > > > a > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>> client or fallback to the json rest. > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 at 19:24 Andreas Kotes < > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> count-apache....@flatline.de <javascript:;>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>> wrote: > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> FWIW, > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> I also consider the idea pretty good and would > want > > >> >> stronger > > >> >> >>> > > > > decoupling > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> of server/client. I'd be interested in a python > > client > > >> >> >>> > > > > implementation, > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> mostly for CLI and bot integration. > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> Not sure whether doing a client-side C > > implementation > > >> of > > >> >> the > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> communication protocol would be best here (so > > wrapper > > >> for > > >> >> >>> more > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> languages > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> can follow), or whether native Python would be > > >> better. We > > >> >> >>> need > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> something > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> for non-Java folks in any case, I think. > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> Cheers, > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> count > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 10:52:34AM +1000, Evan > > Hughes > > >> >> >>> wrote: > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> Thankyou all for your feedback and expressions > of > > >> >> >>> interests, > > >> >> >>> > > seems > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> like > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> we > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> may be able to develop some teams together to > make > > >> this > > >> >> a > > >> >> >>> > faster > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> reality > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> than just I. Hopefully we can get some more > > people to > > >> >> >>> express > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> interests > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> in > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>>> this way forward. > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> -- > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> Andreas 'count' Kotes > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> Taming computers for humans since 1990. > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> "Don't ask what the world needs. Ask what makes > you > > >> come > > >> >> >>> alive, > > >> >> >>> > > and > > >> >> >>> > > > > go > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> do > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> it. > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> Because what the world needs is people who have > > come > > >> >> >>> alive." -- > > >> >> >>> > > > > Howard > > >> >> >>> > > > > >>>>> Thurman > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> > > >> >> >>> > > > > > > >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >>> > > > > >> >> >>> > > > >> >> >>> > > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >
