Thank you. Esa for your attention to my message. The truth is that I have lost two friends for thinking thta the Rossi E-cat gives some excess heat. I don't like his strategy, his experimental methods, I very strongly dislike The idea of combining 156 cores in the setup thta will be tested tomorrow. I am very tolerant toward opinions that are different or even opposite to my opinions and I am not angry with those who have these opinions. I will confess you (but do not tell it to anybody - I am not inerrant. You will see it tomorrow night the latest. Peter
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Esa Ruoho <[email protected]> wrote: > you know peter,since youre always so negative about rossi and now you say > theres no customer, i#m going to be overtly positive and guess its Apple. > i hope these two messages cancel eachother out. > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Peter Gluck <[email protected]>wrote: > >> At such a great scale "The Oct. 28 Test" is a contradiction >> in terms- it has to be at least "the 3 days test starting on Oct. 28" >> No company having elementary idea of engineering would accept a short test >> for such a Behemoth, there are necessary hours to make all the 52 Fat-Cats >> functional, then >> they work or not work 3-4 hours and it is over.. Who can accept such a >> test? Why? >> >> This Partner has not helped Rossi who was forced to sell his house in >> order to continue. >> >> The most probable is that the test will be done by the inventor's people >> from his US company and by some >> specialists hired by Ampenergo- i.e. NO real partner exists. >> The identity of the experimenters will not be revealed probably and we >> will receive results from Rossi, as he wish. We will see no instruments and >> no steam commensurate with 1 MW heat. >> My bet is NO REAL CUSTOMER. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I have no idea who this customer might be. I do not like to guess, >>> speculate or read the tea leaves when I have no information, but I believe >>> it is unlikely that a major corporation is involved. I say this for the >>> following reasons: >>> >>> Several large corporations and institutions such as Georgia Tech have >>> contacted me about this test. They say it would be unwise to test such a >>> large reactor without first doing a series of small-scale tests at lower >>> power levels. Jumping up to high level without first doing these tests would >>> be dangerous. They are baffled by this plan. I have echoed their remarks >>> here. So I do not think they would countenance such a large increase. >>> >>> I asked Rossi whether he has a permit to do this test. He did not >>> respond. I do not know whether he has one or not, but it seems unlikely to >>> me. I simply cannot imagine that any sane government official would issue >>> one. I hate to speculate about these things but that seems impossible. Large >>> corporations are sticklers for the rules. They *write* the rules, in >>> cooperation with government regulators. I doubt they would get involved in a >>> test of a large nuclear reactor that is probably an egregious criminal >>> violation of health and safety standards. I do not know about Europe but in >>> the US or Japan this would cause a major scandal, with people being arrested >>> and perp-walked in front of reporters. This is not something GE or >>> Mitsubishi would let themselves get involved in, ever, under any >>> circumstances. >>> >>> If a subordinate at GE were to suggest getting involved, I suppose >>> management would demand a copy of the permits and certifications for the >>> reactor as the first step. They would demand technical documents showing >>> that the reactor was designed by a professional engineering firm that >>> specializes in pressure vessels. They would want to see computer simulations >>> of pressure and heat conditions, and certificates showing that the welding >>> was done by certified experts. I sure as heck would. Testing a laboratory >>> scale device is one thing; industrial equipment is quite another. A machine >>> of this size and power is dangerous, even when it is designed with the best >>> modern computers and simulations, and when it is fabricated by experts and >>> then carefully examined by an inspector. A conventional combustion reactor >>> of this size is dangerous. If a hose connection fails, the hose may fly off >>> with enough force to crush someone's skull, and the steam may scald them to >>> death. This is not a damned toy, or something you casually turn on after a >>> few weeks of partial testing. >>> >>> The test on October 6 clearly did not involve any professional >>> engineering or instrumentation such as a corporation would bring. Terry >>> Blanton remarked that a corporation would use large, professional grade >>> instruments with recent NIST certification stickers. You can recognize this >>> kind of thing. I did not see any. They did not even have a computer or flow >>> meters for some of the critical data. To be blunt, the October 6 test was so >>> half-assed, the students at my local high school could have done a better >>> job. (Granted several of those kids got into MIT and Georgia Tech.) I find >>> it hard to believe that a major corporation would jump into this project and >>> be prepared for a 1 MW test three weeks after the test that produced >>> somewhere between six and 10 kW but you can't tell because the instruments >>> were so bad. >>> >>> Videos and photographs of the equipment outdoors to not show any sign of >>> professional instrumentation being deployed around it. Again, I do not think >>> that a professional organization would jump in and be prepared to do a major >>> test with the outside equipment in three weeks. >>> >>> - Jed >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Peter Gluck >> Cluj, Romania >> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com >> >> > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
