They have the TV, his wife's phone, both granddaughters phones, 
grandson-in-law's phone, and each grand has a TV and also they have computer - 
quite a load. His wife has an Apple watch too. 

I'm just glad my utilities are separate from theirs. 

Carolyn Arnold

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2025 3:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor

Most routers can handle far more than 3 or 4 devices at once.
Your son must be on a minimum speed plan if it cannot handle a few people using 
the network.



Richard, USA

"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." -- John Wesley




My web site: https://www.turner42.com


(sent from my iPhone 16 pro) c



        On Feb 19, 2025, at 11:56 AM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
        
        

        My son said that he turns off his Wi-Fi, because since his two 
daughters each have a camper on the property, his Internet is packed. We were 
wondering if my phone cutting out on calls was because of a bad router. So, I 
tried turning my phone off Wi-Fi, well, I did turn it off, but, then, that 
fouled up the Weather app, so I put it back on. Yet, when I am out somewhere, I 
can go to Weather without problem. 
        
        Another thing, when I turned off Wi-Fi, my password was displayed in 
the app - duh, go figure. 
        
        Carolyn Arnold
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
        Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2025 2:32 PM
        To: viphone@googlegroups.com
        Subject: RE: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
        Of course, it depends on what he is paying now.
        
        If he has Xfinity internet, then it will be cheaper than most and the 
coverage is excellent!  Essentially, it is the same coverage as Verizon since 
they use the Verizon cell towers.
        
        
        
        Like I say, we don't use a lot of cellular data, so I mostly just turn 
my cell data off.
        
        My wife uses it mostly for GPS when in the car since the car has 
CarPlay with a good set of speakers and a really nice display.
        
        
        
        We got a Kia Soul last year.
        
        
        
        
        
        Richard, USA,
        
        "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to 
step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things 
will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught 
how to fly." 
        
        -- Barbara J. Winter.
        
        
        
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        From: 'Joseph Hudson' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2025 11:23 AM
        To: viphone@googlegroups.com
        Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
        
        
        Oh wow, Richard, what an interesting experience. My cousin just went 
through the experience of trying to switch to them a little over a day ago, he 
ended up spending all day on the phone to get both of their phones transferred. 
And I think he is in for a rude awakening, cause I don't think he's gonna end 
up saving much money either. He says that they're gonna be able to save like 
$100, but we'll see what happens.
        
        
        
        
        
           On Feb 19, 2025, at 9:46 AM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
        
            
        
           Hi Vicky,
        
           I don't mind telling you my saga if you don't mind reading a 
somewhat lengthy story. 😊
        
           The short answer is I ended up getting it all at once, but it was 
not easy.
        
           I have Xfinity as my carrier because they have a great deal if you 
also have their internet, which we do.
        
           I called and talked to a person at length when I was considering the 
trade-in offer, they made, which on the surface said you could get up to $1000 
but had to get unlimited data as part of that deal.
        
           I spent a long time on the phone with the guy and explained that I 
was not really interested in unlimited data as we are usually around Wi-Fi and 
don't hardly use over 1 GB a month between the two of us.
        
           He said he could make that happen … that ended up not being true.
        
           The only qualification for the trade-in was that the phone had to be 
able to power up; well, my 13 pro was in excellent condition so that was not an 
issue.
        
           I should have read every word of the deal but didn't want to make 
the guy wait that long, so I took his word for things and set it all up.
        
           I sent my 13 Pro off after getting the 16 pro in my hands and got a 
confirmation that they received the phone on October 14th, and I qualified for 
the trade-in.
        
           Our billing cycle is the 15th of the month through the 14th, so 
mid-month.  The November bill came and no sign of a trade in.
        
           I called, and they said it is in process, and it can take a couple 
billing cycles to be credited, in the meantime, there was a payment of 
somewhere around $140 for the phone and the unlimited line … which I complained 
loudly about, which got me exactly nowhere.
        
           The next billing cycle ended in mid December, and no sign of the 
trade-in.  Then, I got an email saying the trade-in was cancelled so I did not 
qualify.
        
           I called, extremely angry, as I had done nothing of the sort.  No 
one knew what that email was about and couldn't find anything in my record 
saying the deal was cancelled, so I could do nothing but wait.
        
           Though, I did point out that if the deal did not happen, I would be 
canceling everything concerning Xfinity, and going to another service for 
phone, internet, and TV.
        
           When January rolled around and nothing was settled, and I was still 
being billed over $40 toward the phone plan and about that for the phone 
itself; I contacted their head office in Philadelphia.  I'll add a PS at the 
end as to how I knew to do that.
        
           In any case, I talked with a very nice woman in their head of 
customer service department, and she said she would have someone call me back; 
probably the next day as it was about 4 PM Eastern time.
        
           Well, within 30 minutes I got a call from a really great gentlemen 
who worked out of their Chicago office and he saw the notes on my case and I 
summed it up for him, stressing that I was on the verge of cancelling 
everything.  He kind of chuckled and said, "yes, I saw that."
        
           He apologized profusely for the complete mess and frustration I had 
to go through.
        
           He said, he would be applying the entire $1000 onto my account and 
that would include paying me back for the charges I had already paid, though 
since I had opted for the 256 GB phone, I was responsible for more than the 
$1000, I think it was $100 or $150, but that was totally fine and expected.
        
           And he would take me off the unlimited plan and so my wife and I 
could go back to their 3GB shared plan.
        
           That credit showed up within a day or maybe 36 hours.
        
           My February bill for our 3GB shared plan, which is usually a little 
over $40 with taxes, was $1.25.
        
            
        
           So, everything turned out just fine, though it took a lot of 
frustration, persistent, and 3 months to sort out.
        
           I won't be doing a trade-in again.  I will take a lower price and 
sell my old phone next time, (if there is a next time,) and just buy the new 
phone outright.
        
            
        
           The short answer to your question is normally, yes, they would 
credit you monthly.  So, in a way, I'm glad they screwed up so royally since I 
got it all done and out of the unlimited plan that would have stretched things 
out for 2 years.
        
            
        
           Now, for the PS.
        
           About 8 years ago, we switched from consumer Cellular to Xfinity 
because of their great deal since we have their internet.  However, the phone 
number my wife ended up with turned out to be a bit of a problem.
        
           She is a pastor, and while had retired from an appointment, she was 
doing a fair amount of funerals/memorial services for a local funeral home.
        
           She noticed that when she called people to make arrangements to meet 
and plan, they wouldn't answer until the funeral home called them and gave them 
her number.
        
           Some friends also would not answer, so she would leave a voice mail.
        
           Well, someone finally said that they didn't know it was her calling 
because the caller ID said something like Ebola Renew or some such thing.
        
           After going 'round and 'round with Xfinity and them with Verizon 
whom they sublet their towers from, she finally found out that in their 
database, her number was associated with a renewable energy company in Spain!  
Yes, Spain.  After doing some digging, we discovered that company has never had 
an office in the United States.
        
           So, She ended up getting the phone number and address for the head 
of their customer service person in Philadelphia.
        
           She wrote a very long lettter.  The guy called her, and after 
several attempts to get the database changed, and failing, they gave her a new 
phone number and a $250 credit on the bill.
        
           That is why I called Philadelphia…
        
            
        
           So, alls well that ends well. 😊
        
            
        
           If you read all of this, you have amazing patience.
        
            
        
           I do still like Xfinity's customer service in spite of all the 
above, especially their accessibility department.
        
              
        
           Remember, you asked! 😊
        
            
        
            
        
           Richard, USA,
        
           "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about 
to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two 
things will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be 
taught how to fly." 
        
           -- Barbara J. Winter.
        
            
        
           My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/> 
        
            
        
           From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
<viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Vicky Collins
           Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2025 6:38 AM
           To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
           Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
            
        
           Richard, do you mind telling us whether your carrier gave you all 
the money upfront or spread it over a long-term period with bill credits each 
month as most carriers do when you did the trade-in?
        
           At the moment, I'm using an iPhone 13 Mini and an iPhone 15 Pro, and 
I really can't tell any difference between the two cameras for my purposes. I'm 
glad, though, that I did get a 15 Pro instead of just a 15 because I have 
access to the Apple Intelligence stuff if I want to use it.
        
           Vicky Collins
        
           USA
        
            
        
           Sent from my iPhone
        
           
           
           
           
        
               On Feb 14, 2025, at 6:48 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
        
               
        
               I have the 16 pro, I had a 13 Pro before that and an SE before 
that.
        
               I stuck with the 16 pro because of the better processor etc., 
and still hoping that LIDAR becomes more of a useful feature… However, it is 
useful for things like door detection, etc.
        
               I don't use AIRA, so I don't know if they can take advantage of 
the cameras on the pro models, though they can use your phone to take pictures 
for you, so if they have that much control, I would think they could zoom in, 
etc.  but, someone else can address that.
        
                
        
               I also stuck with the 16 pro because I got a trade-in on the 13 
Pro with my carrier that gave me $1,000 which covered almost the entire cost as 
I went with the 256GB phone.
        
                
        
               For most things, I think the basic camera serves people who are 
blind just fine.
        
               The new phone is rumored to have the 48 megapixil camera, which 
will certainly give better and possibly more detailed pictures.
        
               Though the LIDAR sensor is supposed to really help in dim light 
for that, but would it be worth the money; only you can determine that.
        
                
        
               HTH,
        
                
        
                
        
               Richard, USA,
        
               "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are 
about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two 
things will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be 
taught how to fly." 
        
               -- Barbara J. Winter.
        
                
        
               My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ 
<https://www.turner42.com/> 
        
                
        
               From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
 <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Cohn
               Sent: Friday, February 14, 2025 3:38 PM
               To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
               Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
                
        
               That was how this thread started and nobody really answered it.
        
                
        
               Essentially for a blind user not interested in taking pictures 
is there an advantage to the latest iPhone camera system that have Macro and 
telephoto capabilities, as these are not likely to be in a new lower cost  
iPhone. Can an AIRA or Be My Eyes agent even take advantage of the multiple 
lenses on iPhones, or do these have to be controlled by the iPhone user. 
        
               Also, has anybody that has a iPhone PRO model regularly used the 
LIDAR functions to solve issues?
        
               I am especially interested in anybody that got an iPhone 15 or 
16  after having an iPhone SE if they felt the additional cost provided any 
useful features.
        
                
        
                
        
                   On Feb 14, 2025, at 2:15 PM, danneyya...@gmail.com 
<mailto:danneyya...@gmail.com>  wrote:
        
                    
        
                   So what does an IPhone 16 Pro have that this rumored SE4 
have and why’s it so much less expensive?
        
                   Danney
        
                    
        
                   From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
                   Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 9:37 PM
                   To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
                   Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
                    
        
                   According to both ChatGPT and Copilot: 
        
                   As of now, Apple CEO Tim Cook has not officially announced a 
new iPhone SE. However, he has teased an upcoming product launch scheduled for 
Wednesday, February 19, 2025. In a recent post on X (formerly Twitter), Cook 
stated, “Get ready to meet the newest member of the family,” accompanied by an 
Apple logo animation.   While the specific product has not been confirmed, 
industry analysts widely anticipate that this event will unveil the 
next-generation iPhone SE. Expected features for the new model include:
        
                                  •             A design similar to the iPhone 
14, featuring a notched display and the removal of the home button in favor of 
Face ID.
        
                                  •             A larger 6.1-inch OLED screen, 
replacing the previous 4.7-inch display.
        
                                  •             Transition to a USB-C port, 
aligning with recent regulatory requirements.
        
                                  •             Introduction of a customizable 
Action button.
        
                                  •             An upgraded single rear camera 
with enhanced sensors.
        
                                  •             Internally, the device is 
expected to feature an A18 chip, 8GB of RAM, and Apple’s first in-house 5G 
modem, though it may not support mmWave 5G.
        
                                  •             The starting price is 
anticipated to be around $500, with 128GB of base storage.
        
                    
        
                   There has been speculation about a potential rebranding to 
“iPhone 16E,” but it is more likely that the SE branding will continue.  
Please note that these details are based on industry rumors and leaks, and the 
official specifications will be confirmed during Apple’s event on February 19.
        
                    
        
                    
        
                   Richard, USA
        
                   "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." 
-- John Wesley
        
                    
        
                   My web site: https://www.turner42.com 
<https://www.turner42.com/> 
        
                    
        
                   (sent from my iPhone 16 pro) c
        
                    
        
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
        
                       On Feb 13, 2025, at 4:32 PM, Richard Turner 
<richardr_tur...@comcast.net <mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
        
                       
        
                       Where did Tim Cook ppost this?
        
                        
        
                        
        
                        
        
                       Richard, USA,
        
                       "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and 
are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of 
two things will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will 
be taught how to fly." 
        
                       -- Barbara J. Winter.
        
                        
        
                       My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ 
<https://www.turner42.com/> 
        
                        
        
                       From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long
                       Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 4:22 PM
                       To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
                       Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
                        
        
                       Its coming next Wednesday Tim Cook posted about it. 
        
                        
        
                        
        
                       Dennis Long 
        
                       Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro Max
        
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       
                       
        
                           On Feb 13, 2025, at 7:18 PM, Michael Irons 
<theleo...@gmail.com <mailto:theleo...@gmail.com> > wrote:
        
                           I never believe any rumors that come out and I am 
in agreement with what you all were saying in that talking about this stuff 
before it’s released and talking about when it is gonna be released as a total 
waste of time. I just knew that the iPhone SE four was going to be coming out 
and I wanted to make sure that I got a hold of an SE3 before the latest EC came 
out so I could have access and use the home button a bit longer. If you are 
wondering why I might want to do that that is because right now I’m just not 
able to face Face ID and deal with setting it up. It might put a frown on all 
of your faces, but I am just doing what I feel. I need to do regardless of what 
anyone thinks about it.
        
                           Sent from my iPhone
        
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
        
                           On Feb 13, 2025, at 4:25 PM, 'Richard Turner' via 
VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
        
                           I knew exactly what you meant, and did not miss the 
sarcasm. I suspect others did not either. I was just agreeing that all this 
bother about stuff before its released is kind of a waste of time.
        
                            
        
                            
        
                            
        
                           Richard, USA
        
                           "While striving for perfection, let us do what is 
possible." -- John Wesley
        
                            
        
                           My web site: https://www.turner42.com 
<https://www.turner42.com/> 
        
                            
        
                           (sent from my iPhone 16 pro) c
        
                            
        
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
        
                           On Feb 13, 2025, at 2:21 PM, Alan Lemly 
<wale...@gmail.com <mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:
        
                           Richard, 
                           
                           That's exactly the point I was attempting to make 
but I guess my sarcasm was missed. Some on these lists seem overly concerned 
with promoting products and their supposed features before the products are 
even released. I was replying to one such post stating unequivocally that the 
SE fourth generation was being released on Tuesday February 11th. 
                           
                           Alan Lemly 
                           Sent from my iPhone
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
                           
        
                           On Feb 13, 2025, at 10:46 AM, 'Richard Turner' via 
VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
        
                            
        
                           ON www.apple.com <http://www.apple.com/>  there is 
no mention of an iPhone SE 4, the latest SE listed is the SE 3.
        
                           This is why I ignore rumors.
        
                           Just wait for Apple's official announcement.
        
                            
        
                            
        
                           Richard, USA,
        
                           "When you come to the edge of all the light you know 
and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing 
one of two things will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you 
will be taught how to fly."
        
                           -- Barbara J. Winter.
        
                            
        
                           My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
        
                            
        
                           -----Original Message-----
        
                           From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
        
                           Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 8:38 AM
        
                           To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        
                           Subject: RE: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
                            
        
                           Hi Dennis,
        
                            
        
                           I must have missed Apple's announcement about the 
release of the iPhone SE 4th generation. Perhaps you could share it with the 
list or is it possible that Mark Gurman was wrong?
        
                            
        
                           Alan Lemly
        
                            
        
                           -----Original Message-----
        
                           From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long
        
                           Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2025 2:11 AM
        
                           To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        
                           Subject: RE: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
                            
        
                           It will be released Tuesday.  Mark Gurman isn't 
usually wrong.  Moreover these reports aren't gonna say something that critical 
and be wrong.  So watch Apple.com on Tuesday.
        
                            
        
                           -----Original Message-----
        
                           From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
        
                           Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2025 5:29 PM
        
                           To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        
                           Subject: RE: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
                            
        
                           I am considering an SE4 if they actually come out.
        
                            
        
                           Carolyn Arnold
        
                           Carolyn ArnoldCarolyn Arnold
        
                            
        
                           Carolyn Arnold
        
                            
        
                            
        
                           -----Original Message-----
        
                           From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Penny Reeder
        
                           Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2025 10:45 AM
        
                           To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        
                           Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
                            
        
                           I have been waiting for the SE, too -- mostly 
because of my hope that its smaller size will be a more comfortable fit for my 
hand than the huge 16. I am worried though that i shouldn't wait a lot longer 
to replaze my XR, because of anticipated tarrif-related higher cost. Penny Sent 
from my iPhone
        
                            
        
                           On Feb 8, 2025, at 10:34 AM, Jonathan Cohn 
<jccacc...@gmail.com <mailto:jccacc...@gmail.com> > wrote:
        
                            
        
                           I heard a rumor today that the iPhone SE update 
will come out next week with no press release.
        
                           Obviously just a rumor, but I have been holding on 
to my slowish iPhone SE second generation so that I can  have a full choice of 
latest phones.
        
                           Is there a blind users buyers guide to the iPhones 
to help decide  if:
        
                           1. LIDAR add aa real advantage.
        
                           2. Do newer cameras improve OCR
        
                           3. Do newer camera help with Be My Eyes and AIRA?
        
                           4. Should I get a cheaper phone and spend the money 
saved on a pair of smart glasses?
        
                            
        
                           I know folks love their meta glasses, but I would 
rather pay a little more and not  have Meta capturing my life, but alternatives 
still appear to be in the rumor stage.
        
                           Obviously, until the specifications of the SE are 
out no decision can be made.
        
                           My main complaints with my current phone is it takes 
about 5 seconds for a Siri response and I don’t believe it is my network, and 
40 minutes of walking navigation takes about 60% of my battery life.
        
                           Warmly,
        
                           Jonathan
        
                            
        
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