I turned it right back on, which is when I saw the password displayed. I only 
had it off for a few minutes. I guess I'm going to have to call Hughesnet to 
see about a router replacement, and if that doesn't fix the problem, I don't 
know. It costs a pretty penny to have an iPhone, and discouraging for so much 
interference that it makes it hard for others talking to me. 

But, when I got a new bank account recently and called Social Security on the 
VOIP here at home, they had the same complaint, so I started walking to come in 
here near the router, but just a few steps from my chair, it cleared, so I 
stood while I gave him my new information. 

Carolyn Arnold

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Joseph Hudson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2025 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor

Carolyn, is Wi-Fi calling turned on that might fix that problem.



        On Feb 19, 2025, at 1:56 PM, Carolyn Arnold <2carolynarn...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

        My son said that he turns off his Wi-Fi, because since his two 
daughters each have a camper on the property, his Internet is packed. We were 
wondering if my phone cutting out on calls was because of a bad router. So, I 
tried turning my phone off Wi-Fi, well, I did turn it off, but, then, that 
fouled up the Weather app, so I put it back on. Yet, when I am out somewhere, I 
can go to Weather without problem. 
        
        Another thing, when I turned off Wi-Fi, my password was displayed in 
the app - duh, go figure. 
        
        Carolyn Arnold
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
        Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2025 2:32 PM
        To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        Subject: RE: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
        Of course, it depends on what he is paying now.
        
        If he has Xfinity internet, then it will be cheaper than most and the 
coverage is excellent!  Essentially, it is the same coverage as Verizon since 
they use the Verizon cell towers.
        
        
        
        Like I say, we don't use a lot of cellular data, so I mostly just turn 
my cell data off.
        
        My wife uses it mostly for GPS when in the car since the car has 
CarPlay with a good set of speakers and a really nice display.
        
        
        
        We got a Kia Soul last year.
        
        
        
        
        
        Richard, USA,
        
        "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to 
step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things 
will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught 
how to fly." 
        
        -- Barbara J. Winter.
        
        
        
        My web site: https://www.turner42.com/<https://www.turner42.com/> 
        
        
        
        From: 'Joseph Hudson' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
        Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2025 11:23 AM
        To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
        
        
        Oh wow, Richard, what an interesting experience. My cousin just went 
through the experience of trying to switch to them a little over a day ago, he 
ended up spending all day on the phone to get both of their phones transferred. 
And I think he is in for a rude awakening, cause I don't think he's gonna end 
up saving much money either. He says that they're gonna be able to save like 
$100, but we'll see what happens.
        
        
        
        
        
        On Feb 19, 2025, at 9:46 AM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
        
        
        
        Hi Vicky,
        
        I don't mind telling you my saga if you don't mind reading a somewhat 
lengthy story. 😊
        
        The short answer is I ended up getting it all at once, but it was not 
easy.
        
        I have Xfinity as my carrier because they have a great deal if you also 
have their internet, which we do.
        
        I called and talked to a person at length when I was considering the 
trade-in offer, they made, which on the surface said you could get up to $1000 
but had to get unlimited data as part of that deal.
        
        I spent a long time on the phone with the guy and explained that I was 
not really interested in unlimited data as we are usually around Wi-Fi and 
don't hardly use over 1 GB a month between the two of us.
        
        He said he could make that happen … that ended up not being true.
        
        The only qualification for the trade-in was that the phone had to be 
able to power up; well, my 13 pro was in excellent condition so that was not an 
issue.
        
        I should have read every word of the deal but didn't want to make the 
guy wait that long, so I took his word for things and set it all up.
        
        I sent my 13 Pro off after getting the 16 pro in my hands and got a 
confirmation that they received the phone on October 14th, and I qualified for 
the trade-in.
        
        Our billing cycle is the 15th of the month through the 14th, so 
mid-month.  The November bill came and no sign of a trade in.
        
        I called, and they said it is in process, and it can take a couple 
billing cycles to be credited, in the meantime, there was a payment of 
somewhere around $140 for the phone and the unlimited line … which I complained 
loudly about, which got me exactly nowhere.
        
        The next billing cycle ended in mid December, and no sign of the 
trade-in.  Then, I got an email saying the trade-in was cancelled so I did not 
qualify.
        
        I called, extremely angry, as I had done nothing of the sort.  No one 
knew what that email was about and couldn't find anything in my record saying 
the deal was cancelled, so I could do nothing but wait.
        
        Though, I did point out that if the deal did not happen, I would be 
canceling everything concerning Xfinity, and going to another service for 
phone, internet, and TV.
        
        When January rolled around and nothing was settled, and I was still 
being billed over $40 toward the phone plan and about that for the phone 
itself; I contacted their head office in Philadelphia.  I'll add a PS at the 
end as to how I knew to do that.
        
        In any case, I talked with a very nice woman in their head of customer 
service department, and she said she would have someone call me back; probably 
the next day as it was about 4 PM Eastern time.
        
        Well, within 30 minutes I got a call from a really great gentlemen who 
worked out of their Chicago office and he saw the notes on my case and I summed 
it up for him, stressing that I was on the verge of cancelling everything.  He 
kind of chuckled and said, "yes, I saw that."
        
        He apologized profusely for the complete mess and frustration I had to 
go through.
        
        He said, he would be applying the entire $1000 onto my account and that 
would include paying me back for the charges I had already paid, though since I 
had opted for the 256 GB phone, I was responsible for more than the $1000, I 
think it was $100 or $150, but that was totally fine and expected.
        
        And he would take me off the unlimited plan and so my wife and I could 
go back to their 3GB shared plan.
        
        That credit showed up within a day or maybe 36 hours.
        
        My February bill for our 3GB shared plan, which is usually a little 
over $40 with taxes, was $1.25.
        
        
        
        So, everything turned out just fine, though it took a lot of 
frustration, persistent, and 3 months to sort out.
        
        I won't be doing a trade-in again.  I will take a lower price and sell 
my old phone next time, (if there is a next time,) and just buy the new phone 
outright.
        
        
        
        The short answer to your question is normally, yes, they would credit 
you monthly.  So, in a way, I'm glad they screwed up so royally since I got it 
all done and out of the unlimited plan that would have stretched things out for 
2 years.
        
        
        
        Now, for the PS.
        
        About 8 years ago, we switched from consumer Cellular to Xfinity 
because of their great deal since we have their internet.  However, the phone 
number my wife ended up with turned out to be a bit of a problem.
        
        She is a pastor, and while had retired from an appointment, she was 
doing a fair amount of funerals/memorial services for a local funeral home.
        
        She noticed that when she called people to make arrangements to meet 
and plan, they wouldn't answer until the funeral home called them and gave them 
her number.
        
        Some friends also would not answer, so she would leave a voice mail.
        
        Well, someone finally said that they didn't know it was her calling 
because the caller ID said something like Ebola Renew or some such thing.
        
        After going 'round and 'round with Xfinity and them with Verizon whom 
they sublet their towers from, she finally found out that in their database, 
her number was associated with a renewable energy company in Spain!  Yes, 
Spain.  After doing some digging, we discovered that company has never had an 
office in the United States.
        
        So, She ended up getting the phone number and address for the head of 
their customer service person in Philadelphia.
        
        She wrote a very long lettter.  The guy called her, and after several 
attempts to get the database changed, and failing, they gave her a new phone 
number and a $250 credit on the bill.
        
        That is why I called Philadelphia…
        
        
        
        So, alls well that ends well. 😊
        
        
        
        If you read all of this, you have amazing patience.
        
        
        
        I do still like Xfinity's customer service in spite of all the above, 
especially their accessibility department.
        
           
        
        Remember, you asked! 😊
        
        
        
        
        
        Richard, USA,
        
        "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to 
step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things 
will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught 
how to fly." 
        
        -- Barbara J. Winter.
        
        
        
        My web site: https://www.turner42.com/<https://www.turner42.com/> 
        
        
        
        From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
Of Vicky Collins
        Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2025 6:38 AM
        To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
        
        
        Richard, do you mind telling us whether your carrier gave you all the 
money upfront or spread it over a long-term period with bill credits each month 
as most carriers do when you did the trade-in?
        
        At the moment, I'm using an iPhone 13 Mini and an iPhone 15 Pro, and I 
really can't tell any difference between the two cameras for my purposes. I'm 
glad, though, that I did get a 15 Pro instead of just a 15 because I have 
access to the Apple Intelligence stuff if I want to use it.
        
        Vicky Collins
        
        USA
        
        
        
        Sent from my iPhone
        
        
        
        
        
        
        On Feb 14, 2025, at 6:48 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
        
        
        
        I have the 16 pro, I had a 13 Pro before that and an SE before that.
        
        I stuck with the 16 pro because of the better processor etc., and still 
hoping that LIDAR becomes more of a useful feature… However, it is useful for 
things like door detection, etc.
        
        I don't use AIRA, so I don't know if they can take advantage of the 
cameras on the pro models, though they can use your phone to take pictures for 
you, so if they have that much control, I would think they could zoom in, etc.  
but, someone else can address that.
        
        
        
        I also stuck with the 16 pro because I got a trade-in on the 13 Pro 
with my carrier that gave me $1,000 which covered almost the entire cost as I 
went with the 256GB phone.
        
        
        
        For most things, I think the basic camera serves people who are blind 
just fine.
        
        The new phone is rumored to have the 48 megapixil camera, which will 
certainly give better and possibly more detailed pictures.
        
        Though the LIDAR sensor is supposed to really help in dim light for 
that, but would it be worth the money; only you can determine that.
        
        
        
        HTH,
        
        
        
        
        
        Richard, USA,
        
        "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to 
step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things 
will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught 
how to fly." 
        
        -- Barbara J. Winter.
        
        
        
        My web site: https://www.turner42.com/<https://www.turner42.com/> 
        
        
        
        From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jonathan Cohn
        Sent: Friday, February 14, 2025 3:38 PM
        To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
        
        
        That was how this thread started and nobody really answered it.
        
        
        
        Essentially for a blind user not interested in taking pictures is there 
an advantage to the latest iPhone camera system that have Macro and telephoto 
capabilities, as these are not likely to be in a new lower cost  iPhone. Can an 
AIRA or Be My Eyes agent even take advantage of the multiple lenses on iPhones, 
or do these have to be controlled by the iPhone user. 
        
        Also, has anybody that has a iPhone PRO model regularly used the LIDAR 
functions to solve issues?
        
        I am especially interested in anybody that got an iPhone 15 or 16  
after having an iPhone SE if they felt the additional cost provided any useful 
features.
        
        
        
        
        
        On Feb 14, 2025, at 2:15 PM, danneyya...@gmail.com 
<mailto:danneyya...@gmail.com>  <mailto:danneyya...@gmail.com>  wrote:
        
        
        
        So what does an IPhone 16 Pro have that this rumored SE4 have and why’s 
it so much less expensive?
        
        Danney
        
        
        
        From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
        Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 9:37 PM
        To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
        
        
        According to both ChatGPT and Copilot: 
        
        As of now, Apple CEO Tim Cook has not officially announced a new iPhone 
SE. However, he has teased an upcoming product launch scheduled for Wednesday, 
February 19, 2025. In a recent post on X (formerly Twitter), Cook stated, “Get 
ready to meet the newest member of the family,” accompanied by an Apple logo 
animation.   While the specific product has not been confirmed, industry 
analysts widely anticipate that this event will unveil the next-generation 
iPhone SE. Expected features for the new model include:
        
                       •             A design similar to the iPhone 14, 
featuring a notched display and the removal of the home button in favor of Face 
ID.
        
                       •             A larger 6.1-inch OLED screen, replacing 
the previous 4.7-inch display.
        
                       •             Transition to a USB-C port, aligning with 
recent regulatory requirements.
        
                       •             Introduction of a customizable Action 
button.
        
                       •             An upgraded single rear camera with 
enhanced sensors.
        
                       •             Internally, the device is expected to 
feature an A18 chip, 8GB of RAM, and Apple’s first in-house 5G modem, though it 
may not support mmWave 5G.
        
                       •             The starting price is anticipated to be 
around $500, with 128GB of base storage.
        
        
        
        There has been speculation about a potential rebranding to “iPhone 
16E,” but it is more likely that the SE branding will continue.  Please note 
that these details are based on industry rumors and leaks, and the official 
specifications will be confirmed during Apple’s event on February 19.
        
        
        
        
        
        Richard, USA
        
        "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." -- John 
Wesley
        
        
        
        My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com/> 
<https://www.turner42.com/> 
        
        
        
        (sent from my iPhone 16 pro) c
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        On Feb 13, 2025, at 4:32 PM, Richard Turner 
<richardr_tur...@comcast.net <mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> 
<mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
        
        
        
        Where did Tim Cook ppost this?
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        Richard, USA,
        
        "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to 
step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things 
will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught 
how to fly." 
        
        -- Barbara J. Winter.
        
        
        
        My web site: https://www.turner42.com/<https://www.turner42.com/> 
        
        
        
        From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
Of Dennis Long
        Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 4:22 PM
        To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
        
        
        Its coming next Wednesday Tim Cook posted about it. 
        
        
        
        
        
        Dennis Long 
        
        Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro Max
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        On Feb 13, 2025, at 7:18 PM, Michael Irons <theleo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:theleo...@gmail.com> <mailto:theleo...@gmail.com> > wrote:
        
        I never believe any rumors that come out and I am in agreement with 
what you all were saying in that talking about this stuff before it’s released 
and talking about when it is gonna be released as a total waste of time. I just 
knew that the iPhone SE four was going to be coming out and I wanted to make 
sure that I got a hold of an SE3 before the latest EC came out so I could have 
access and use the home button a bit longer. If you are wondering why I might 
want to do that that is because right now I’m just not able to face Face ID and 
deal with setting it up. It might put a frown on all of your faces, but I am 
just doing what I feel. I need to do regardless of what anyone thinks about it.
        
        Sent from my iPhone
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        On Feb 13, 2025, at 4:25 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
        
        I knew exactly what you meant, and did not miss the sarcasm. I suspect 
others did not either. I was just agreeing that all this bother about stuff 
before its released is kind of a waste of time.
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        Richard, USA
        
        "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." -- John 
Wesley
        
        
        
        My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com/>  
<https://www.turner42.com/> 
        
        
        
        (sent from my iPhone 16 pro) c
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        On Feb 13, 2025, at 2:21 PM, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com 
<mailto:wale...@gmail.com>  <mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:
        
        Richard, 
        
        That's exactly the point I was attempting to make but I guess my 
sarcasm was missed. Some on these lists seem overly concerned with promoting 
products and their supposed features before the products are even released. I 
was replying to one such post stating unequivocally that the SE fourth 
generation was being released on Tuesday February 11th. 
        
        Alan Lemly 
        Sent from my iPhone
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        On Feb 13, 2025, at 10:46 AM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
        
        
        
        ON www.apple.com <http://www.apple.com/> <http://www.apple.com/>  
there is no mention of an iPhone SE 4, the latest SE listed is the SE 3.
        
        This is why I ignore rumors.
        
        Just wait for Apple's official announcement.
        
        
        
        
        
        Richard, USA,
        
        "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to 
step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things 
will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught 
how to fly."
        
        -- Barbara J. Winter.
        
        
        
        My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
        
        
        
        -----Original Message-----
        
        From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
Of Alan Lemly
        
        Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 8:38 AM
        
        To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        
        Subject: RE: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
        
        
        Hi Dennis,
        
        
        
        I must have missed Apple's announcement about the release of the iPhone 
SE 4th generation. Perhaps you could share it with the list or is it possible 
that Mark Gurman was wrong?
        
        
        
        Alan Lemly
        
        
        
        -----Original Message-----
        
        From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
Of Dennis Long
        
        Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2025 2:11 AM
        
        To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        
        Subject: RE: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
        
        
        It will be released Tuesday.  Mark Gurman isn't usually wrong.  
Moreover these reports aren't gonna say something that critical and be wrong.  
So watch Apple.com <http://apple.com/>  on Tuesday.
        
        
        
        -----Original Message-----
        
        From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf 
Of Carolyn Arnold
        
        Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2025 5:29 PM
        
        To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        
        Subject: RE: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
        
        
        I am considering an SE4 if they actually come out.
        
        
        
        Carolyn Arnold
        
        Carolyn ArnoldCarolyn Arnold
        
        
        
        Carolyn Arnold
        
        
        
        
        
        -----Original Message-----
        
        From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Penny Reeder
        
        Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2025 10:45 AM
        
        To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
        
        Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
        
        
        
        I have been waiting for the SE, too -- mostly because of my hope that 
its smaller size will be a more comfortable fit for my hand than the huge 16. I 
am worried though that i shouldn't wait a lot longer to replaze my XR, because 
of anticipated tarrif-related higher cost. Penny Sent from my iPhone
        
        
        
        On Feb 8, 2025, at 10:34 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jccacc...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jccacc...@gmail.com> <mailto:jccacc...@gmail.com> > wrote:
        
        
        
        I heard a rumor today that the iPhone SE update will come out next 
week with no press release.
        
        Obviously just a rumor, but I have been holding on to my slowish iPhone 
SE second generation so that I can  have a full choice of latest phones.
        
        Is there a blind users buyers guide to the iPhones to help decide  if:
        
        1. LIDAR add aa real advantage.
        
        2. Do newer cameras improve OCR
        
        3. Do newer camera help with Be My Eyes and AIRA?
        
        4. Should I get a cheaper phone and spend the money saved on a pair of 
smart glasses?
        
        
        
        I know folks love their meta glasses, but I would rather pay a little 
more and not  have Meta capturing my life, but alternatives still appear to be 
in the rumor stage.
        
        Obviously, until the specifications of the SE are out no decision can 
be made.
        
        My main complaints with my current phone is it takes about 5 seconds 
for a Siri response and I don’t believe it is my network, and 40 minutes of 
walking navigation takes about 60% of my battery life.
        
        Warmly,
        
        Jonathan
        
        
        
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