Oh yeah, we had one of those retail stores stop us meeting me and my girlfriend 
when we were just gonna go right into the T-Mobile in the mall. They wanted us 
to switch to Verizon and I wasn't interested in doing it. I'm thinking of going 
with one of the knock off dealers for T-Mobile eventually just to try out the 
new satellite capabilities when I upgrade my iPhone. I'm looking at possibly 
maybe getting the 16 E eventually. As I like the size of my 14.

> On Feb 19, 2025, at 1:52 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> When dealing with Verizon stores, make sure they are a corporate store and 
> not a retail store.
> I once went with a client to a Verizon store that was close to where she 
> lived but I had called Verizon and found that she could have a new sim card 
> for her phone at no charge.
> But, when we went into the store by her, they wanted to charge $20 plus some 
> other fee and she was on a very low, fixed, income.
> We said no thank you and went up to the store I had called and found out from 
> them, that the Corporate stores don't charge for many things that the retail 
> stores do.
> 
> HTH,  
> 
> 
> Richard, USA,
> "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to step 
> off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will 
> happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught how 
> to fly." 
> -- Barbara J. Winter.
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2025 11:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone SE latest rumor
> 
> I never have been told that I have amazing patient - always thought I had 
> calculated patience, LOL. 
> 
> That is invaluable information. I wish I could get the prices you all get, 
> but I live in a rural area. Still, it gives me direction in things to expect 
> and watch out for, because I intend to make a trade in pretty soon. My son 
> just got a new phone and had to struggle about trade in, but nothing like you 
> did. The Verizon store in sanford, NC is a pretty good store. 
> 
> Carolyn Arnold
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2025 10:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone SE latest rumor
> 
> Hi Vicky,
> 
> I don't mind telling you my saga if you don't mind reading a somewhat lengthy 
> story. 😊
> 
> The short answer is I ended up getting it all at once, but it was not easy.
> 
> I have Xfinity as my carrier because they have a great deal if you also have 
> their internet, which we do.
> 
> I called and talked to a person at length when I was considering the trade-in 
> offer, they made, which on the surface said you could get up to $1000 but had 
> to get unlimited data as part of that deal.
> 
> I spent a long time on the phone with the guy and explained that I was not 
> really interested in unlimited data as we are usually around Wi-Fi and don't 
> hardly use over 1 GB a month between the two of us.
> 
> He said he could make that happen … that ended up not being true.
> 
> The only qualification for the trade-in was that the phone had to be able to 
> power up; well, my 13 pro was in excellent condition so that was not an issue.
> 
> I should have read every word of the deal but didn't want to make the guy 
> wait that long, so I took his word for things and set it all up.
> 
> I sent my 13 Pro off after getting the 16 pro in my hands and got a 
> confirmation that they received the phone on October 14th, and I qualified 
> for the trade-in.
> 
> Our billing cycle is the 15th of the month through the 14th, so mid-month.  
> The November bill came and no sign of a trade in.
> 
> I called, and they said it is in process, and it can take a couple billing 
> cycles to be credited, in the meantime, there was a payment of somewhere 
> around $140 for the phone and the unlimited line … which I complained loudly 
> about, which got me exactly nowhere.
> 
> The next billing cycle ended in mid December, and no sign of the trade-in.  
> Then, I got an email saying the trade-in was cancelled so I did not qualify.
> 
> I called, extremely angry, as I had done nothing of the sort.  No one knew 
> what that email was about and couldn't find anything in my record saying the 
> deal was cancelled, so I could do nothing but wait.
> 
> Though, I did point out that if the deal did not happen, I would be canceling 
> everything concerning Xfinity, and going to another service for phone, 
> internet, and TV.
> 
> When January rolled around and nothing was settled, and I was still being 
> billed over $40 toward the phone plan and about that for the phone itself; I 
> contacted their head office in Philadelphia.  I'll add a PS at the end as to 
> how I knew to do that.
> 
> In any case, I talked with a very nice woman in their head of customer 
> service department, and she said she would have someone call me back; 
> probably the next day as it was about 4 PM Eastern time.
> 
> Well, within 30 minutes I got a call from a really great gentlemen who worked 
> out of their Chicago office and he saw the notes on my case and I summed it 
> up for him, stressing that I was on the verge of cancelling everything.  He 
> kind of chuckled and said, "yes, I saw that."
> 
> He apologized profusely for the complete mess and frustration I had to go 
> through.
> 
> He said, he would be applying the entire $1000 onto my account and that would 
> include paying me back for the charges I had already paid, though since I had 
> opted for the 256 GB phone, I was responsible for more than the $1000, I 
> think it was $100 or $150, but that was totally fine and expected.
> 
> And he would take me off the unlimited plan and so my wife and I could go 
> back to their 3GB shared plan.
> 
> That credit showed up within a day or maybe 36 hours.
> 
> My February bill for our 3GB shared plan, which is usually a little over $40 
> with taxes, was $1.25.
> 
> 
> 
> So, everything turned out just fine, though it took a lot of frustration, 
> persistent, and 3 months to sort out.
> 
> I won't be doing a trade-in again.  I will take a lower price and sell my old 
> phone next time, (if there is a next time,) and just buy the new phone 
> outright.
> 
> 
> 
> The short answer to your question is normally, yes, they would credit you 
> monthly.  So, in a way, I'm glad they screwed up so royally since I got it 
> all done and out of the unlimited plan that would have stretched things out 
> for 2 years.
> 
> 
> 
> Now, for the PS.
> 
> About 8 years ago, we switched from consumer Cellular to Xfinity because of 
> their great deal since we have their internet.  However, the phone number my 
> wife ended up with turned out to be a bit of a problem.
> 
> She is a pastor, and while had retired from an appointment, she was doing a 
> fair amount of funerals/memorial services for a local funeral home.
> 
> She noticed that when she called people to make arrangements to meet and 
> plan, they wouldn't answer until the funeral home called them and gave them 
> her number.
> 
> Some friends also would not answer, so she would leave a voice mail.
> 
> Well, someone finally said that they didn't know it was her calling because 
> the caller ID said something like Ebola Renew or some such thing.
> 
> After going 'round and 'round with Xfinity and them with Verizon whom they 
> sublet their towers from, she finally found out that in their database, her 
> number was associated with a renewable energy company in Spain!  Yes, Spain.  
> After doing some digging, we discovered that company has never had an office 
> in the United States.
> 
> So, She ended up getting the phone number and address for the head of their 
> customer service person in Philadelphia.
> 
> She wrote a very long lettter.  The guy called her, and after several 
> attempts to get the database changed, and failing, they gave her a new phone 
> number and a $250 credit on the bill.
> 
> That is why I called Philadelphia…
> 
> 
> 
> So, alls well that ends well. 😊
> 
> 
> 
> If you read all of this, you have amazing patience.
> 
> 
> 
> I do still like Xfinity's customer service in spite of all the above, 
> especially their accessibility department.
> 
> 
> 
> Remember, you asked! 😊
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA,
> 
> "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to step 
> off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will 
> happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught how 
> to fly." 
> 
> -- Barbara J. Winter.
> 
> 
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Vicky 
> Collins
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2025 6:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, do you mind telling us whether your carrier gave you all the money 
> upfront or spread it over a long-term period with bill credits each month as 
> most carriers do when you did the trade-in?
> 
> At the moment, I'm using an iPhone 13 Mini and an iPhone 15 Pro, and I really 
> can't tell any difference between the two cameras for my purposes. I'm glad, 
> though, that I did get a 15 Pro instead of just a 15 because I have access to 
> the Apple Intelligence stuff if I want to use it.
> 
> Vicky Collins
> 
> USA
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       On Feb 14, 2025, at 6:48 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
> 
>       
> 
>       I have the 16 pro, I had a 13 Pro before that and an SE before that.
> 
>       I stuck with the 16 pro because of the better processor etc., and still 
> hoping that LIDAR becomes more of a useful feature… However, it is useful for 
> things like door detection, etc.
> 
>       I don't use AIRA, so I don't know if they can take advantage of the 
> cameras on the pro models, though they can use your phone to take pictures 
> for you, so if they have that much control, I would think they could zoom in, 
> etc.  but, someone else can address that.
> 
>        
> 
>       I also stuck with the 16 pro because I got a trade-in on the 13 Pro 
> with my carrier that gave me $1,000 which covered almost the entire cost as I 
> went with the 256GB phone.
> 
>        
> 
>       For most things, I think the basic camera serves people who are blind 
> just fine.
> 
>       The new phone is rumored to have the 48 megapixil camera, which will 
> certainly give better and possibly more detailed pictures.
> 
>       Though the LIDAR sensor is supposed to really help in dim light for 
> that, but would it be worth the money; only you can determine that.
> 
>        
> 
>       HTH,
> 
>        
> 
>        
> 
>       Richard, USA,
> 
>       "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to 
> step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things 
> will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught 
> how to fly." 
> 
>       -- Barbara J. Winter.
> 
>        
> 
>       My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/> 
> 
>        
> 
>       From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Cohn
>       Sent: Friday, February 14, 2025 3:38 PM
>       To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>       Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
> 
>        
> 
>       That was how this thread started and nobody really answered it.
> 
>        
> 
>       Essentially for a blind user not interested in taking pictures is there 
> an advantage to the latest iPhone camera system that have Macro and telephoto 
> capabilities, as these are not likely to be in a new lower cost  iPhone. Can 
> an AIRA or Be My Eyes agent even take advantage of the multiple lenses on 
> iPhones, or do these have to be controlled by the iPhone user. 
> 
>       Also, has anybody that has a iPhone PRO model regularly used the LIDAR 
> functions to solve issues?
> 
>       I am especially interested in anybody that got an iPhone 15 or 16  
> after having an iPhone SE if they felt the additional cost provided any 
> useful features.
> 
>        
> 
>        
> 
>               On Feb 14, 2025, at 2:15 PM, danneyya...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:danneyya...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> 
>                
> 
>               So what does an IPhone 16 Pro have that this rumored SE4 have 
> and why’s it so much less expensive?
> 
>               Danney
> 
>                
> 
>               From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
>               Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 9:37 PM
>               To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>               Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
> 
>                
> 
>               According to both ChatGPT and Copilot: 
> 
>               As of now, Apple CEO Tim Cook has not officially announced a 
> new iPhone SE. However, he has teased an upcoming product launch scheduled 
> for Wednesday, February 19, 2025. In a recent post on X (formerly Twitter), 
> Cook stated, “Get ready to meet the newest member of the family,” accompanied 
> by an Apple logo animation.   While the specific product has not been 
> confirmed, industry analysts widely anticipate that this event will unveil 
> the next-generation iPhone SE. Expected features for the new model include:
> 
>                              •             A design similar to the iPhone 14, 
> featuring a notched display and the removal of the home button in favor of 
> Face ID.
> 
>                              •             A larger 6.1-inch OLED screen, 
> replacing the previous 4.7-inch display.
> 
>                              •             Transition to a USB-C port, 
> aligning with recent regulatory requirements.
> 
>                              •             Introduction of a customizable 
> Action button.
> 
>                              •             An upgraded single rear camera 
> with enhanced sensors.
> 
>                              •             Internally, the device is expected 
> to feature an A18 chip, 8GB of RAM, and Apple’s first in-house 5G modem, 
> though it may not support mmWave 5G.
> 
>                              •             The starting price is anticipated 
> to be around $500, with 128GB of base storage.
> 
>                
> 
>               There has been speculation about a potential rebranding to 
> “iPhone 16E,” but it is more likely that the SE branding will continue.  
> Please note that these details are based on industry rumors and leaks, and 
> the official specifications will be confirmed during Apple’s event on 
> February 19.
> 
>                
> 
>                
> 
>               Richard, USA
> 
>               "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." -- 
> John Wesley
> 
>                
> 
>               My web site: https://www.turner42.com 
> <https://www.turner42.com/> 
> 
>                
> 
>               (sent from my iPhone 16 pro) c
> 
>                
> 
>               
>               
>               
>               
>               
> 
>                       On Feb 13, 2025, at 4:32 PM, Richard Turner 
> <richardr_tur...@comcast.net <mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
> 
>                       
> 
>                       Where did Tim Cook ppost this?
> 
>                        
> 
>                        
> 
>                        
> 
>                       Richard, USA,
> 
>                       "When you come to the edge of all the light you know 
> and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing 
> one of two things will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or 
> you will be taught how to fly." 
> 
>                       -- Barbara J. Winter.
> 
>                        
> 
>                       My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ 
> <https://www.turner42.com/> 
> 
>                        
> 
>                       From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long
>                       Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 4:22 PM
>                       To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>                       Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
> 
>                        
> 
>                       Its coming next Wednesday Tim Cook posted about it. 
> 
>                        
> 
>                        
> 
>                       Dennis Long 
> 
>                       Sent from my iPhone 15 Pro Max
> 
>                       
>                       
>                       
>                       
>                       
>                       
> 
>                               On Feb 13, 2025, at 7:18 PM, Michael Irons 
> <theleo...@gmail.com <mailto:theleo...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
>                               I never believe any rumors that come out and I 
> am in agreement with what you all were saying in that talking about this 
> stuff before it’s released and talking about when it is gonna be released as 
> a total waste of time. I just knew that the iPhone SE four was going to be 
> coming out and I wanted to make sure that I got a hold of an SE3 before the 
> latest EC came out so I could have access and use the home button a bit 
> longer. If you are wondering why I might want to do that that is because 
> right now I’m just not able to face Face ID and deal with setting it up. It 
> might put a frown on all of your faces, but I am just doing what I feel. I 
> need to do regardless of what anyone thinks about it.
> 
>                               Sent from my iPhone
> 
>                               
>                               
>                               
>                               
>                               
>                               
> 
>                                       On Feb 13, 2025, at 4:25 PM, 'Richard 
> Turner' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
> 
>                                       I knew exactly what you meant, and did 
> not miss the sarcasm. I suspect others did not either. I was just agreeing 
> that all this bother about stuff before its released is kind of a waste of 
> time.
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       Richard, USA
> 
>                                       "While striving for perfection, let us 
> do what is possible." -- John Wesley
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       My web site: https://www.turner42.com 
> <https://www.turner42.com/> 
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       (sent from my iPhone 16 pro) c
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       
>                                       
>                                       
>                                       
>                                       
>                                       
> 
>                                       On Feb 13, 2025, at 2:21 PM, Alan Lemly 
> <wale...@gmail.com <mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
>                                       Richard, 
>                                       
>                                       That's exactly the point I was 
> attempting to make but I guess my sarcasm was missed. Some on these lists 
> seem overly concerned with promoting products and their supposed features 
> before the products are even released. I was replying to one such post 
> stating unequivocally that the SE fourth generation was being released on 
> Tuesday February 11th. 
>                                       
>                                       Alan Lemly 
>                                       Sent from my iPhone
>                                       
>                                       
>                                       
>                                       
>                                       
>                                       
> 
>                                       On Feb 13, 2025, at 10:46 AM, 'Richard 
> Turner' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       ON www.apple.com 
> <http://www.apple.com/>  there is no mention of an iPhone SE 4, the latest SE 
> listed is the SE 3.
> 
>                                       This is why I ignore rumors.
> 
>                                       Just wait for Apple's official 
> announcement.
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       Richard, USA,
> 
>                                       "When you come to the edge of all the 
> light you know and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, 
> faith is knowing one of two things will happen: there will be something solid 
> to stand on or you will be taught how to fly."
> 
>                                       -- Barbara J. Winter.
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       -----Original Message-----
> 
>                                       From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
> 
>                                       Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 8:38 
> AM
> 
>                                       To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> 
>                                       Subject: RE: iPhone SE latest rumor
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       Hi Dennis,
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       I must have missed Apple's announcement 
> about the release of the iPhone SE 4th generation. Perhaps you could share it 
> with the list or is it possible that Mark Gurman was wrong?
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       Alan Lemly
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       -----Original Message-----
> 
>                                       From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Long
> 
>                                       Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2025 2:11 AM
> 
>                                       To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> 
>                                       Subject: RE: iPhone SE latest rumor
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       It will be released Tuesday.  Mark 
> Gurman isn't usually wrong.  Moreover these reports aren't gonna say 
> something that critical and be wrong.  So watch Apple.com on Tuesday.
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       -----Original Message-----
> 
>                                       From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  <viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
> 
>                                       Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2025 5:29 PM
> 
>                                       To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> 
>                                       Subject: RE: iPhone SE latest rumor
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       I am considering an SE4 if they 
> actually come out.
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       Carolyn Arnold
> 
>                                       Carolyn ArnoldCarolyn Arnold
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       Carolyn Arnold
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       -----Original Message-----
> 
>                                       From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Penny Reeder
> 
>                                       Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2025 10:45 
> AM
> 
>                                       To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> 
>                                       Subject: Re: iPhone SE latest rumor
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       I have been waiting for the SE, too -- 
> mostly because of my hope that its smaller size will be a more comfortable 
> fit for my hand than the huge 16. I am worried though that i shouldn't wait a 
> lot longer to replaze my XR, because of anticipated tarrif-related higher 
> cost. Penny Sent from my iPhone
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       On Feb 8, 2025, at 10:34 AM, Jonathan 
> Cohn <jccacc...@gmail.com <mailto:jccacc...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       I heard a rumor today that the iPhone 
> SE update will come out next week with no press release.
> 
>                                       Obviously just a rumor, but I have been 
> holding on to my slowish iPhone SE second generation so that I can  have a 
> full choice of latest phones.
> 
>                                       Is there a blind users buyers guide to 
> the iPhones to help decide  if:
> 
>                                       1. LIDAR add aa real advantage.
> 
>                                       2. Do newer cameras improve OCR
> 
>                                       3. Do newer camera help with Be My Eyes 
> and AIRA?
> 
>                                       4. Should I get a cheaper phone and 
> spend the money saved on a pair of smart glasses?
> 
>                                        
> 
>                                       I know folks love their meta glasses, 
> but I would rather pay a little more and not  have Meta capturing my life, 
> but alternatives still appear to be in the rumor stage.
> 
>                                       Obviously, until the specifications of 
> the SE are out no decision can be made.
> 
>                                       My main complaints with my current 
> phone is it takes about 5 seconds for a Siri response and I don’t believe it 
> is my network, and 40 minutes of walking navigation takes about 60% of my 
> battery life.
> 
>                                       Warmly,
> 
>                                       Jonathan
> 
>                                        
> 
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