What obstacle avoidance features is it missing out of curiosity? I'd hope it has cliff detection or stair avoidance.
Kay Malmquist [email protected] Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its strength. Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:21 PM Subject: Re: Roomba The S7 is a good bot, it doesn't have all of the obstacle avoidance features but if you don't need that it will work fine and should clean really well. > On Jul 17, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Thanks! We did see that the S7 MaxV won best robot vacuum cleaner in > multiple reviews, but I didn't want to spend that much money on a vacuum > cleaner, and I didn't think we needed all of those features! The S7 seemed > to be exactly what we were looking for. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Mike Arrigo > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 10:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Roomba > > The S7 is a great Bot, I don't have that one but it's in their top of the > line series, I think you will be very happy with it, for the best cleaning > I would suggest always running it on the max setting, it should still be > able to clean the house on one charge, Roborock includes a large battery > in their bots. > >> On Jul 17, 2022, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> We got the S7. We wanted the LIDAR feature and my wife wanted the mop >> option. >> >> -- >> Christopher (AKA CJ) >> Chaltain at Outlook >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >> Mike Arrigo >> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:05 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Roomba >> >> I'm curious, which Roborock model did you get? They are great, far better >> than any Roomba. >> >>> On Jul 16, 2022, at 9:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days. >>> >>> I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up >>> together, but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup >>> completely by myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the >>> Roborock. Except for identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems >>> completely accessible. Looks like once we identify the rooms, I'll be >>> able to send it to a specific room to clean with the app or a voice >>> command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so just with voice commands I can >>> start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to it's docking station and >>> change the strength of the suction. >>> >>> We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit >>> of dog and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. >>> Now that it's been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker >>> the next time, although except for the dining room with all of it's >>> chairs, it seemed to be pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to >>> having it stay on top of the pet hair throughout the week, especially >>> under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll help my wife with her allergies. >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>> Chaltain at Outlook >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >>> Of Kay Malmquist >>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Roomba >>> >>> I will be interested in what you think. I also saw Mike's review and >>> thought seriously about buying the Roborock. Do you have any >>> recommendations as to the best place to buy one? Years ago, I had two >>> Roomba's, one for downstairs and one for up. I liked them and miss them >>> for the in-between vacuum jobs they did. >>> >>> Kay Malmquist >>> [email protected] >>> >>> Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of >>> its strength. >>> Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM >>> Subject: RE: Roomba >>> >>> >>> A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> posted the following >>> review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just >>> a few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around >>> our house. >>> >>> I remember a while back there was some discussion about the >>> accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now >>> have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app >>> so I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some >>> are definitely better than others. >>> I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly >>> accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to >>> use with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most >>> accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are >>> not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are >>> on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you will need sighted >>> help to do at least some things in the app since they are impossible >>> to do using voiceover. One other thing to note, many robots will map >>> your house and let you define rooms or no go zones by drawing on the >>> map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using Voiceover with >>> any of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be made >>> accessible since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get >>> sighted help if you want to use those features or just let the robot >>> clean the entire place each time which is what I do. >>> Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no >>> particular order. >>> The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well >>> with Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there >>> are a few places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is >>> but it does describe those controls well. I had no problems setting >>> up my Roomba J7 Plus totally without sighted help. This app is very >>> interactive which I like, at times it will display tips and tricks or >>> ask you how the robot did on its last run and this is all completely >>> accessible. If you decide you want to get a Roomba you will have no >>> trouble at all using the app. >>> Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one >>> of the best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their >>> cleaning and navigation is excellent. I discovered something with >>> this app, I actually have two different Roborock models and the >>> controls read slightly differently depending on which robot you >>> choose to control from the home screen. This makes me wonder if the >>> app is actually downloading this content from the robot itself. >>> Either way, the app is very easy to use and navigate with voiceover. >>> So, depending on which Roborock model you choose to get, things may >>> read slightly different. For example, when I open the entry for the >>> Roborock S4 Max and come to the settings option, Voiceover says >>> "settings." On the other hand, when I choose the Roborock S7 Max V, >>> which is Roborock's current top of the line model and one that I >>> would absolutely recommend, the settings option says "possibly games, >>> more." Once you know that this opens the settings screen for the robot >>> it works fine. >>> One other minor quirk about how the app reads, while in the settings >>> screen, if you turn a setting off, Voiceover says "off," but when you >>> enable a feature, rather than saying "on," Voiceover says "Open." >>> Changing the cleaning settings such as the suction power and mop >>> intensity works fine. >>> On both the Irobot and Roborock apps, reading the battery level and >>> robot status works fine. The Irobot app will indicate if the battery >>> is high, medium or low, where as the Roborock app indicates the >>> battery level as a percentage. >>> The next app I will mention is the Eufy Home app. Eufy is a brand >>> made by Anker which is known for their power banks and battery chargers. >>> Eufy makes a line of robot vacuums called Robovac. Again, this app >>> works well with Voiceover. Getting my Robovac X8 connected to my >>> network worked fine and the controls for starting and stopping the >>> robot, as well as changing the suction power are completely >>> accessible. I prefer to run my robots on maximum power, I figure if >>> the robot has the power available, why not use it for a better clean? >>> One minor quirk about this app, there is no way that I know of to >>> read the battery level, you can tell if the robot is charging or fully >>> charged but that's all. >>> Now we will move on to the second category. I currently only have one >>> app in this category, the app is useable but not as easy to use since >>> many of the buttons are unlabeled. The Trifo app fits this category. >>> I have the Trifo Lucy pet edition robot and this app is used to >>> control it. This app uses a different method to set up the network >>> connection. >>> With most other robots, you enter your WI-FI network name and >>> password in to the app and then you connect your phone to a temporary >>> network that the robot creates and the app uses this to transfer the >>> network information to it. With the Trifo robots, you enter the >>> network information and the app creates a QR code that is displayed >>> on your phone's screen. You hold your phone's screen in front of the >>> robot and the robot's camera reads the QR code. I was able to get >>> this to work without sighted help but I had to turn off the screen >>> curtain feature of Voiceover. This app has a lot of buttons that are >>> unlabeled so Voiceover just says "button." The most important >>> buttons, the start and stop cleaning button and the button to return >>> to the dock are unlabeled as well as the buttons for map management >>> and the button to change the suction setting. I was able to figure >>> out what each button does after some experimentation but I definitely >>> want to contact Trifo about this and hopefully they will label these >>> buttons appropriately. >>> Changing the suction to maximum works fine once you get to the right >>> screen, it's a percentage slider and I set mine to 100 percent for the >>> highest setting. >>> Ok, now on to the remaining two apps that I have tried, I had to get >>> sighted help at different points in order to get these apps to work. >>> Let's start with the MII home app, this app is used to control >>> several different robots made by Dreametech and a few other brands. I >>> have the Dreametech L10 pro, creating an account and connecting the >>> robot to my network worked fine so again, I'm wondering if the app is >>> downloading the screens that are displayed from the robot itself once >>> it's connected, regardless it ends up the same. It's possible to get >>> in to the settings screen but when toggling options, it reads very >>> strangely. The check box that you need to double tap on to toggle >>> each option is after the option description and when you enable it, >>> voiceover doesn't say anything, when you disable it, voiceover says >>> "plate." I had to get sighted help to figure this out and I also >>> needed sighted help to set the suction power to maximum, you can get >>> in to the cleaning settings screen but Voiceover does not see the >>> control for changing the suction power at all, apparently it's a >>> circle with each setting shown as a larger fan, totally nonstandard. >>> Once everything is set, you can read the battery level and start and >>> stop cleaning but even with this control you can tell that Voiceover >>> is guessing at what it is, it's not labeled. When swiping through the >>> screen, sometimes Voiceover does not say anything. For these reasons I >>> am considering this robot to be one of the least accessible when using >>> Voiceover though it does clean well. >>> The last app I will talk about is the Neabot app used to control the >>> Neabot Q11, again a very good robot as far as cleaning goes, but this >>> is the least accessible robot vacuum app I have used. I had to get >>> sighted help several times. First, creating an account is not >>> possible without sighted help because there is no way to access the >>> Register" >>> item. Voiceover says "don't have an account yet? Register" and it >>> sees that as one item when it should be two items. Double tapping >>> does not work so you have to get sighted help to tap on "register" >>> with Voiceover turned off. After that creating the account works fine >>> and connecting the robot to the network can be done without sighted >>> help but once that is done, you really start to see the accessibility >>> issues. You can read the battery level and the "Start cleaning" >>> option works fine, but everything else is either completely unlabeled >>> or even when Voiceover tries to guess what something is, the >>> descriptions are not very helpful. With lots of patience you can get >>> in to the main robot settings screen which is where the firmware >>> update option is, and this also has problems. When there is a >>> firmware update, Voiceover sees the text describing the update, the >>> cancel, and the update options all as one item, this should be three. >>> I was able to update the firmware by turning Voiceover off and >>> tapping towards the bottom right of the screen but I think I was just >>> lucky enough to tap in the right place. Also, setting the suction to >>> maximum required sighted help, Voiceover does not see the control for >>> changing the suction power at all. I have contacted Neabot about these >>> issues and never got a response. >>> So to finish this review, at this time the most accessible robot >>> vacuum apps I have tried are from Irobot, Roborock and Eufy. All of >>> these brands are good but Roborock is my favorite because of its >>> excellent cleaning and navigation. >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>> Chaltain at Outlook >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >>> Of [email protected] >>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 2:53 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: Roomba >>> >>> Yep >>> iPhone app is accessible and it can be controlled by Google home or >>> Alexa. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >>> Of Mary Anne Lynskey >>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 1:02 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Roomba >>> >>> Good afternoon everyone. I am curious. Have any of you experience >>> using a Roomba? I recently ordered one from Amazon which has not >>> arrived yet. I am wondering if this is a viable option for someone >>> who is totally blind. 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