We got the S7. We wanted the LIDAR feature and my wife wanted the mop option.
-- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Roomba I'm curious, which Roborock model did you get? They are great, far better than any Roomba. > On Jul 16, 2022, at 9:58 PM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> > wrote: > > We bought it from Amazon as part of Amazon Prime Days. > > I'd say Mike's review was spot on. My sighted wife and I set it up together, > but based on what I could see, I could have done the setup completely by > myself, except for maybe finding the wi-fi button on the Roborock. Except for > identifying the rooms on the map, the app seems completely accessible. Looks > like once we identify the rooms, I'll be able to send it to a specific room > to clean with the app or a voice command. I set up the Siri shortcuts, so > just with voice commands I can start it cleaning, pause it, send it back to > it's docking station and change the strength of the suction. > > We've only run it through the house once, but it sucked up quite a bit of dog > and cat hair. It was pretty cool to see it navigate each room. Now that it's > been through the house once, I wonder if it'll be quicker the next time, > although except for the dining room with all of it's chairs, it seemed to be > pretty quick and smart. I'm looking forward to having it stay on top of the > pet hair throughout the week, especially under the bed. I'm also hoping it'll > help my wife with her allergies. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Kay Malmquist > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 7:23 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Roomba > > I will be interested in what you think. I also saw Mike's review and thought > seriously about buying the Roborock. Do you have any recommendations as to > the best place to buy one? Years ago, I had two Roomba's, one for downstairs > and one for up. I liked them and miss them for the in-between vacuum jobs > they did. > > Kay Malmquist > [email protected] > > Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its > strength. > Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christopher Chaltain" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 5:35 PM > Subject: RE: Roomba > > > A few weeks ago Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> posted the following > review of several robot vacuum cleaners. I used this myself, and just > a few minutes ago, we let our Roborock start it's maiden voyage around our > house. > > I remember a while back there was some discussion about the > accessibility of apps that are used to control robot vacuums. I now > have a small robot vacuum collection and have tried each brand's app > so I have an idea about which apps work the best with Voiceover. Some are > definitely better than others. > I'm going to group these in to three categories, accessible or mostly > accessible, that is, everything is well labeled or at least easy to > use with Voiceover's recognition abilities, useable but not the most > accessible, meaning you can use the app but some of the controls are > not labeled and you will have to memorize the order of where they are > on the screen, and mostly unuseable, that is, you will need sighted > help to do at least some things in the app since they are impossible > to do using voiceover. One other thing to note, many robots will map > your house and let you define rooms or no go zones by drawing on the > map. Unfortunately there is no way to do that using Voiceover with any > of these apps and I'm not even sure how that could be made accessible > since it involves drawing, so your choices are to get sighted help if > you want to use those features or just let the robot clean the entire place > each time which is what I do. > Ok, let's start with the most accessible category, these are in no > particular order. > The Irobot home app is used for the Roomba robots and works very well > with Voiceover. For the most part, everything is well labeled, there > are a few places where voiceover has to guess at what a control is but > it does describe those controls well. I had no problems setting up my > Roomba J7 Plus totally without sighted help. This app is very > interactive which I like, at times it will display tips and tricks or > ask you how the robot did on its last run and this is all completely > accessible. If you decide you want to get a Roomba you will have no trouble > at all using the app. > Next up is the Roborock app. As a side note, I think Roborock is one > of the best, if not the best brand of robot vacuums available, their > cleaning and navigation is excellent. I discovered something with this > app, I actually have two different Roborock models and the controls > read slightly differently depending on which robot you choose to > control from the home screen. This makes me wonder if the app is > actually downloading this content from the robot itself. Either way, > the app is very easy to use and navigate with voiceover. So, depending > on which Roborock model you choose to get, things may read slightly > different. For example, when I open the entry for the Roborock S4 Max > and come to the settings option, Voiceover says "settings." On the > other hand, when I choose the Roborock S7 Max V, which is Roborock's > current top of the line model and one that I would absolutely > recommend, the settings option says "possibly games, more." Once you > know that this opens the settings screen for the robot it works fine. > One other minor quirk about how the app reads, while in the settings > screen, if you turn a setting off, Voiceover says "off," but when you > enable a feature, rather than saying "on," Voiceover says "Open." Changing > the cleaning settings such as the suction power and mop intensity works fine. > On both the Irobot and Roborock apps, reading the battery level and > robot status works fine. The Irobot app will indicate if the battery > is high, medium or low, where as the Roborock app indicates the > battery level as a percentage. > The next app I will mention is the Eufy Home app. Eufy is a brand made > by Anker which is known for their power banks and battery chargers. > Eufy makes a line of robot vacuums called Robovac. Again, this app > works well with Voiceover. Getting my Robovac X8 connected to my > network worked fine and the controls for starting and stopping the > robot, as well as changing the suction power are completely > accessible. I prefer to run my robots on maximum power, I figure if > the robot has the power available, why not use it for a better clean? > One minor quirk about this app, there is no way that I know of to read > the battery level, you can tell if the robot is charging or fully charged but > that's all. > Now we will move on to the second category. I currently only have one > app in this category, the app is useable but not as easy to use since > many of the buttons are unlabeled. The Trifo app fits this category. I > have the Trifo Lucy pet edition robot and this app is used to control > it. This app uses a different method to set up the network connection. > With most other robots, you enter your WI-FI network name and password > in to the app and then you connect your phone to a temporary network > that the robot creates and the app uses this to transfer the network > information to it. With the Trifo robots, you enter the network > information and the app creates a QR code that is displayed on your > phone's screen. You hold your phone's screen in front of the robot and > the robot's camera reads the QR code. I was able to get this to work > without sighted help but I had to turn off the screen curtain feature > of Voiceover. This app has a lot of buttons that are unlabeled so > Voiceover just says "button." The most important buttons, the start > and stop cleaning button and the button to return to the dock are > unlabeled as well as the buttons for map management and the button to > change the suction setting. I was able to figure out what each button > does after some experimentation but I definitely want to contact Trifo > about this and hopefully they will label these buttons appropriately. > Changing the suction to maximum works fine once you get to the right screen, > it's a percentage slider and I set mine to 100 percent for the highest > setting. > Ok, now on to the remaining two apps that I have tried, I had to get > sighted help at different points in order to get these apps to work. > Let's start with the MII home app, this app is used to control several > different robots made by Dreametech and a few other brands. I have the > Dreametech L10 pro, creating an account and connecting the robot to my > network worked fine so again, I'm wondering if the app is downloading > the screens that are displayed from the robot itself once it's > connected, regardless it ends up the same. It's possible to get in to > the settings screen but when toggling options, it reads very > strangely. The check box that you need to double tap on to toggle each > option is after the option description and when you enable it, > voiceover doesn't say anything, when you disable it, voiceover says > "plate." I had to get sighted help to figure this out and I also > needed sighted help to set the suction power to maximum, you can get > in to the cleaning settings screen but Voiceover does not see the > control for changing the suction power at all, apparently it's a > circle with each setting shown as a larger fan, totally nonstandard. > Once everything is set, you can read the battery level and start and > stop cleaning but even with this control you can tell that Voiceover > is guessing at what it is, it's not labeled. When swiping through the > screen, sometimes Voiceover does not say anything. For these reasons I am > considering this robot to be one of the least accessible when using Voiceover > though it does clean well. > The last app I will talk about is the Neabot app used to control the > Neabot Q11, again a very good robot as far as cleaning goes, but this > is the least accessible robot vacuum app I have used. I had to get > sighted help several times. First, creating an account is not possible > without sighted help because there is no way to access the Register" > item. Voiceover says "don't have an account yet? Register" and it sees > that as one item when it should be two items. Double tapping does not > work so you have to get sighted help to tap on "register" with > Voiceover turned off. After that creating the account works fine and > connecting the robot to the network can be done without sighted help > but once that is done, you really start to see the accessibility > issues. You can read the battery level and the "Start cleaning" option > works fine, but everything else is either completely unlabeled or even > when Voiceover tries to guess what something is, the descriptions are > not very helpful. With lots of patience you can get in to the main > robot settings screen which is where the firmware update option is, > and this also has problems. When there is a firmware update, Voiceover > sees the text describing the update, the cancel, and the update > options all as one item, this should be three. I was able to update > the firmware by turning Voiceover off and tapping towards the bottom > right of the screen but I think I was just lucky enough to tap in the > right place. Also, setting the suction to maximum required sighted > help, Voiceover does not see the control for changing the suction power at > all. I have contacted Neabot about these issues and never got a response. > So to finish this review, at this time the most accessible robot > vacuum apps I have tried are from Irobot, Roborock and Eufy. All of > these brands are good but Roborock is my favorite because of its > excellent cleaning and navigation. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 2:53 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Roomba > > Yep > iPhone app is accessible and it can be controlled by Google home or Alexa. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Mary Anne Lynskey > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 1:02 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Roomba > > Good afternoon everyone. I am curious. Have any of you experience > using a Roomba? I recently ordered one from Amazon which has not > arrived yet. I am wondering if this is a viable option for someone who > is totally blind. How accessible is the app and how difficult is it to set up > the app and use it. > I know it can be controlled via the a lady. 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