um, ok. now that you have devolved into the realm of personal insults…. It 
seems to me that you have now lost track of the actual conversation (and as a 
result, lost the argument).

I am not going to insult you or do something as inane as that. What I am going 
to offer is some advice: step back, calm down and take a chill pill.

Now, I believe the original intent of this thread was to point out the NFB 
resolution and how apple and their accessibility figure into this? can we get 
back on topic?

-eric

On Aug 25, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Mário Navarro wrote:

> 
>   sorry, but I'm not your doctor ...
> but I can see perfectly well that you need to change your medication.
> 
> Às 19:01 de 25/08/2016, Dave Mitchel escreveu:
>> excuse me? what do you mean by this statement? be careful what I write? 
>> would you explain this to myself and others on the list?
>> I will take into consideration that you may not understand this sort of 
>> thing could be perceived as a threat. so now please let me know what and how 
>> this was meant.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Mário Navarro
>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 10:28 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: nfb RESOLUTION [WAS "Re: Let's Play "King of the Mountain""]
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> david, be careful what you write ...
>> it's just a advice ...
>> 
>> 
>> Às 17:46 de 25/08/2016, Dave Mitchel escreveu:
>>> you have no idea what others have done for themselves and for the blind 
>>> community. stop your gushing and learn when it is best to keep your mouth 
>>> shut.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Mário Navarro
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 9:08 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: nfb RESOLUTION [WAS "Re: Let's Play "King of the Mountain""]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> you are of those  only has intelligence to criticize what others do for
>>> you ...
>>> You should criticize less and work more for the cause of the blind and
>>> accessibility.
>>> instead, you are those who are always waiting for others to do for you.
>>> NFB never done anything for you?
>>> read this and learn.
>>> 
>>> https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions
>>> 
>>> Às 16:46 de 25/08/2016, Mary Otten escreveu:
>>>> Two years in a row, and if he has had resolutions which specifically 
>>>> called out Apple. At the first of those conventions, they were calling 
>>>> Google and accessibility champion. Why doesn't NFB spend equal time on 
>>>> other companies, especially google, which is still behind Apple and 
>>>> someways, but they call them a champion? I say as I have said before and 
>>>> should probably stop saying, follow the money. Google sponsor their 
>>>> convention as a champion.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:13 AM, Dacia Cole <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is a link to all the resolutions that we voted on for the 2016
>>>>> convention.  As someone who was there, there was lots of discussion
>>>>> about the apple resolution and the general consensus was that we love
>>>>> what apple is doing, but that there is always room for improvement.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dacia
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8/25/16, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> More criticism of the NFB that they're enfatuated with Apple than I have
>>>>>> that they're Apple bashers. I tend to think neither is true and this is
>>>>>> more the view of the individual making this claim than it is of the
>>>>>> entire NFB organization. I'd suggest looking at the whole issue, all of
>>>>>> the statements and resolutions passed by the NFB and not basing and
>>>>>> publiching an opinion like this just based on something someone heard.
>>>>>> For example, I'd rather see a link to this resolution that was passed so
>>>>>> I can make up my own mind.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 25/08/16 07:03, Bill Gallik wrote:
>>>>>>> I recently learned of a questionable “resolution” passed at the NFB
>>>>>>> convention singling out Apple for a lack of appropriate prioritization 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> accessibility while giving other tech companies a complete pass despite
>>>>>>> far more egregious non-concert on the part of those other companies.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now, there’s this alarmist tidbits surfacing about an unpleasant 
>>>>>>> surprise
>>>>>>> in iOS 9.3.4.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I personally know of a “tech Instructor” at the local Lighthouse who is 
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> avowed Apple basher.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I find this obvious irrational animosity for Apple to be without any 
>>>>>>> merit
>>>>>>> whatsoever.  It certainly causes me to have very little regard for NFB 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> that organization’s leadership.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This reminds me of the childhood game “King of the Mountain” where the
>>>>>>> object of the game is to occupy the highest point on the gaming grounds
>>>>>>> (usually a snow bank here in the upper Midwest). That being the object
>>>>>>> meant that once you achieved the highest point all other gamers were
>>>>>>> determined to knock you down in the belief that they would then occupy
>>>>>>> that high point. Since it’s obvious to me that neither NFB nor the 
>>>>>>> author
>>>>>>> of that article would ever possibly occupy  the “high ground” on this
>>>>>>> particular snow bank, I have to wonder just who is fostering all this
>>>>>>> “Apple bashing?” Makes me wonder!
>>>>>>> ****************
>>>>>>> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland
>>>>>>> - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty
>>>>>>> sure they are going to have some pretty  annoying virtues."
>>>>>>> - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)--
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Christopher (CJ)
>>>>>> chaltain at Gmail
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