Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of measuring at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people but to me, centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update where corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no longer can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing with me so that's where it stands. /Krister
Skickat från min iPhone > 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]>: > > Hi Krister, > > I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this > way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply > responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list regarding > this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain what they > do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain tasks are > very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High > School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor > O&M skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide > corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O&M training but > simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for me > to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and > special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the > first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive gymnast, horseback > rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even > now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of > course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years ago > *smile*. > Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it > difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do > it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Krister Ekstrom > Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: KNFB reader > > Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't > understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my > fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say > another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the least > bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to > understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the > flaming i'll get. > /Krister > > > Skickat från min iPhone > >> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom <[email protected]>: >> >> But how will this affect the placement of the paper? >> /Krister >> >> >> Skickat från min iPhone >> >>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne <[email protected]>: >>> >>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, >>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture. >>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote: >>>> I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it >>>> free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit. >>>> Thanks for the info >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>> >>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >>>> >>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>> Krista, >>>>> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the >>>>> same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try >>>>> again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting >>>>> good results. >>>>> >>>>> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say >>>>> that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this >>>>> subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using the >>>>> camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not agree that >>>>> it is impossible for people who don't see it all because many of us do >>>>> you have success. I am sure we would all share out tips and tricks with >>>>> you. but, from personal experience, having someone with you who can see >>>>> what you are doing is a very good way to get started. also, when I first >>>>> started out with Prismo, I hat to practice like mad before it worked for >>>>> me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader just worked out of the box in my >>>>> case. >>>>> >>>>> feel free to ask for ideas, >>>>> Sandy >>>>> >>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>> >>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom >>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv >>>>>> reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell >>>>>> i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have >>>>>> asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so >>>>>> now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text. >>>>>> /Krister >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Gordon, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she >>>>>>> and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using >>>>>>> the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did >>>>>>> get some results which would, at the very least, give one a good >>>>>>> over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or >>>>>>> rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest >>>>>>> and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to then >>>>>>> announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would >>>>>>> never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" of the >>>>>>> adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on the >>>>>>> app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my >>>>>>> pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in >>>>>>> those days I could see enough to tell if the targeted sheet was roughly >>>>>>> on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, and for the last 2 >>>>>>> years, I have had no sight at all, not even light, which used to be so >>>>>>> useful in gaging the right ambience for taking shots, I am within 5 >>>>>>> percent of my earlier success. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a >>>>>>> sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special >>>>>>> effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of >>>>>>> myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one >>>>>>> to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him >>>>>>> mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to get >>>>>>> results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him putting >>>>>>> on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is >>>>>>> faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more >>>>>>> accurate!!) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen >>>>>>> before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the >>>>>>> camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, >>>>>>> have achieved equal results, having never seen! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could >>>>>>> give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to be >>>>>>> actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods which >>>>>>> one can follow and which don't need judgement or too much spacial >>>>>>> awareness. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just my twopence worth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sandy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson >>>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had >>>>>>>> very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader >>>>>>>> and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether >>>>>>>> we have good spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as >>>>>>>> a young child, and although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55 >>>>>>>> years, my visual memory is good. This helps me understand how to use >>>>>>>> apps with the camera. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić >>>>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>>> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind >>>>>>>>> people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a >>>>>>>>> ferrytale to me. >>>>>>>>> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber >>>>>>>>> but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed >>>>>>>>> bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much >>>>>>>>> for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app >>>>>>>>> purchases for translations. >>>>>>>>> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's >>>>>>>>> no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> S poštovanjem >>>>>>>>> <mailto://[email protected]>Gordan Radić >>>>>>>>> <http://www.nemoviz.org/><nemoviz_animated.gif> >>>>>>>>> <mailto://[email protected]><email.png> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz><facebook.p ng> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014><twitter.png> >>>>>>>>> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >>>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. >>>>>>>>>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed >>>>>>>>>> page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, >>>>>>>>>> generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make >>>>>>>>>> sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document >>>>>>>>>> correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed on >>>>>>>>>> the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side with >>>>>>>>>> two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB performed OCR >>>>>>>>>> correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of garbled text. >>>>>>>>>> Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case >>>>>>>>>> I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning the camera with >>>>>>>>>> the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any question that >>>>>>>>>> you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though. For live text >>>>>>>>>> recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough job so at >>>>>>>>>> least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It requires an >>>>>>>>>> internet connection to work, but there’s a free, ad-supported >>>>>>>>>> version. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store >>>>>>>>>> and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I >>>>>>>>>> wasn’t offered a refund. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Grant >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe >>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live >>>>>>>>>>> Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but >>>>>>>>>>> the price tag gives one pause. I don't mind the investment >>>>>>>>>>> though if people can show it's an effective app. I'm an idiot >>>>>>>>>>> and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app work wel for me, >>>>>>>>>>> and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user error. 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