But how will this affect the placement of the paper? /Krister
Skickat från min iPhone > 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne <[email protected]>: > > Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, hold > the phone in your hand and take the picture. > At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote: >> I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it free >> hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit. >> Thanks for the info >> /Krister >> >> >> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >> >>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>: >>> >>> Krista, >>> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the >>> same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try again >>> explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting good >>> results. >>> >>> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say >>> that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this >>> subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using the >>> camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not agree that >>> it is impossible for people who don't see it all because many of us do you >>> have success. I am sure we would all share out tips and tricks with you. >>> but, from personal experience, having someone with you who can see what you >>> are doing is a very good way to get started. also, when I first started out >>> with Prismo, I hat to practice like mad before it worked for me. perhaps, >>> this is why the KNFB reader just worked out of the box in my case. >>> >>> feel free to ask for ideas, >>> Sandy >>> >>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>> >>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom >>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv >>>> reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell i >>>> do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have asked >>>> on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so now i rely >>>> entirely on sighted help for reading text. >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>> >>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >>>> >>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Gordon, >>>>> >>>>> I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she >>>>> and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using the >>>>> old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did get some >>>>> results which would, at the very least, give one a good over-view of what >>>>> was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or rather, when the hype >>>>> leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest and they said "we won't >>>>> be charging a lot for it", only to then announce that it would cost a >>>>> wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would never buy it, seeing it as one >>>>> more example of the "rip-off" of the adaptive market. However, within a >>>>> day or so of its appearing on the app store, I read sufch glowing reports >>>>> of the app that I swallowed my pride and bought it. I have found it to be >>>>> truly liberating! True, in those days I could see enough to tell if the >>>>> targeted sheet was roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, >>>>> and for the last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even light, >>>>> which used to be so useful in gaging the right ambience for taking shots, >>>>> I am within 5 percent of my earlier success. >>>>> >>>>> I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a sitting >>>>> position, just raising one hand, not making any special effort, (not >>>>> choosing to make too much of an exhibition of myself) of menus and have >>>>> splendid success! I always am the one to check the post, before my other >>>>> half, this used to drive him mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took >>>>> quite a while to get results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as >>>>> him putting on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, KNFB is >>>>> faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more accurate!!) >>>>> >>>>> I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen >>>>> before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the >>>>> camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, have >>>>> achieved equal results, having never seen! >>>>> >>>>> Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could >>>>> give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to be >>>>> actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods which one >>>>> can follow and which don't need judgement or too much spacial awareness. >>>>> >>>>> Just my twopence worth. >>>>> >>>>> Sandy. >>>>> >>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>> >>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson >>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have had >>>>>> very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with KNFBReader and >>>>>> I’m totally blind. I think what makes the difference is whether we >>>>>> have good spacial awareness or not. I was able to see perfectly as a >>>>>> young child, and although I’ve seen nothing at all for around 55 >>>>>> years, my visual memory is good. This helps me understand how to use >>>>>> apps with the camera. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Anne >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić >>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind >>>>>>> people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a ferrytale >>>>>>> to me. >>>>>>> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and Textgrabber >>>>>>> but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. Giving hundreed >>>>>>> bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial results is too much for >>>>>>> me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and now has in-app purchases for >>>>>>> translations. >>>>>>> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else there's >>>>>>> no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble opinion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> S poštovanjem >>>>>>> <mailto://[email protected]>Gordan Radić >>>>>>> <http://www.nemoviz.org/><nemoviz_animated.gif> >>>>>>> <mailto://[email protected]><email.png> >>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz><facebook.p ng> >>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014><twitter.png> >>>>>>> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >>>>>>>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. >>>>>>>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed page, >>>>>>>> one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, generally in >>>>>>>> incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make sure that I was >>>>>>>> in fact aligning the camera and the document correctly and was told >>>>>>>> that the image was in fact being displayed on the screen. I also tried >>>>>>>> Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side with two documents, again with >>>>>>>> sighted assistance,and KNFB performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia >>>>>>>> only read a couple lines of garbled text. Like you, I have some >>>>>>>> trouble with KNFB Reader also, but in my case I know that’s because >>>>>>>> I have difficulty aligning the camera with the page perfectly. I >>>>>>>> don’t think there’s any question that you’ll get better results >>>>>>>> with KNFB Reader though. For live text recognition, Talking Goggles >>>>>>>> does a reasonable enough job so at least you’ll know what document >>>>>>>> you’re holding. It requires an internet connection to work, but >>>>>>>> there’s a free, ad-supported version. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store and >>>>>>>> reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I wasn’t >>>>>>>> offered a refund. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Grant >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe >>>>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live Reader? The >>>>>>>>> real-time reading function sounds intriguing, but the price tag gives >>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>> pause. 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