The 3.3 version was clearly bugged with a memory leak they have never solved. This is objective. Now I use 3.4 and I'm an happy man: I don't know what I could ask more from an IDE except for a useful Tapestry plugin ;-)
Angelo Chen ha scritto: > I got two reasons not using Eclipse: > > 1) crashes, it just simply crashed even sitting there, probably it's getting > better now. > 2) don't know what to download, so many versions out there, and never find > out which one is correct for me, in front of Eclipse I'm really a newbie:) > > angelo > > > Christian Edward Gruber-2 wrote: > >> I agree - I bounce back and forth as well, quite commonly. I'm >> encouraged by Eclipse 3.5 for reasons you cite, but it's >> frustrating. Every-so-often I seriously consider just a text editor >> and command-line, but things like re-factoring tools, etc, usually >> bring me back. >> >> I'll tell you though, the one that gives me a NeXT-style >> InterfaceBuilder work-alike for Swing or SWT will probably win for >> me. (And if someone let me build tapestry code that way... drag and >> drop GUIs... I'd definitely pay for that privilege) >> >> Christian >> >> On Jul 2, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Howard wrote: >> >> >>> I seem to be caught between two IDEs: Eclipse and IntelliJ. I >>> abandoned >>> Eclipse a couple of years back, partly based on wide spread >>> recommendations from many different people, and partly because Eclipse >>> just stopped working for me (it crashed out). >>> After I got started with IntelliJ I started to appreciate its merits, >>> despite a generally clunky interface (with lots of modal windows), >>> truly awful documentation. Many things are streamlined and only a >>> ctrl-alt-shift-coke-bottle-touch-your-nose away. >>> However, over time, using IntelliJ got slower and slower and slower. >>> It >>> also started running the Tapestry test suite horrifically slowly: 40 >>> minutes and up (it should be about five). It would often go away, even >>> when memory wasn't tight. Indexing? Checking Repositories? Computing >>> primes? No way to tell. >>> Meanwhile, Eclipse has been moving forward, with Eclipse Galileo being >>> a Cocoa (not a Carbon) application. Critical plugins such as M2Eclipse >>> have gotten nice, and the Clojure plugin is mostly better than the >>> IntelliJ one (though both are very early). >>> For a while I was using IntelliJ when teaching Tapestry (as part of >>> the >>> VMWare image I use when training) ... and I got a lot of resistance. >>> People were much happier with Eclipse on the last couple of go-rounds, >>> and I'm sticking with it. >>> Overall, I'm feeling that most of what I've grown used to in IntelliJ >>> is present in Eclipse, just handled a bit differently. The Clojure >>> plugins are a wash; IntelliJ has the edge on the Git plugin. I think >>> Subversion inside Eclipse is actually better. >>> I've even cranked up NetBeans but didn't find anything there >>> compelling >>> enough to switch. >>> It seems like all my major tools (Firefox, Firebug, Eclipse, IntelliJ) >>> are in the habit of growing too complex, and doing too much stuff in >>> the background that I don't care about. All those intentions in >>> IntelliJ that you have to turn off (for performance reasons), and all >>> those extra plugins for Eclipse that you need to not download in the >>> first place ... they're all getting in my way. >>> I think a lot of this falls into the general category of accidental >>> complexity ... to address the limitations of the Java programming >>> language, all this extra stuff is coming into play: tools and wizards >>> and plugins and indexes and whatnot. I find it pretty pleasant to work >>> with Clojure instead, where the accidental complexity of Java is >>> managed and isolated and the IDE doesn't feel the need to be overly >>> ambitious. That's the Clojure concept right there ... grow the >>> language >>> to your needs, rather than building up tools. I think that's the >>> Tapestry ethic as well. >>> >>> -- >>> Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 7/02/2009 01:10:00 PM >>> >> Christian Edward Gruber >> christianedwardgru...@gmail.com >> http://www.geekinasuit.com/ >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >> >> >> >> > > -- ================================================== dott. Ivano Mario Luberti Archimede Informatica societa' cooperativa a r. l. Sede Operativa Via Gereschi 36 - 56126- Pisa tel.: +39-050- 580959 tel/fax: +39-050-9711344 web: www.archicoop.it ================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org
