I agree - I bounce back and forth as well, quite commonly. I'm
encouraged by Eclipse 3.5 for reasons you cite, but it's
frustrating. Every-so-often I seriously consider just a text
editor
and command-line, but things like re-factoring tools, etc, usually
bring me back.
I'll tell you though, the one that gives me a NeXT-style
InterfaceBuilder work-alike for Swing or SWT will probably win for
me. (And if someone let me build tapestry code that way... drag and
drop GUIs... I'd definitely pay for that privilege)
Christian
On Jul 2, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Howard wrote:
I seem to be caught between two IDEs: Eclipse and IntelliJ. I
abandoned
Eclipse a couple of years back, partly based on wide spread
recommendations from many different people, and partly because
Eclipse
just stopped working for me (it crashed out).
After I got started with IntelliJ I started to appreciate its
merits,
despite a generally clunky interface (with lots of modal windows),
truly awful documentation. Many things are streamlined and only a
ctrl-alt-shift-coke-bottle-touch-your-nose away.
However, over time, using IntelliJ got slower and slower and
slower.
It
also started running the Tapestry test suite horrifically slowly:
40
minutes and up (it should be about five). It would often go away,
even
when memory wasn't tight. Indexing? Checking Repositories?
Computing
primes? No way to tell.
Meanwhile, Eclipse has been moving forward, with Eclipse Galileo
being
a Cocoa (not a Carbon) application. Critical plugins such as
M2Eclipse
have gotten nice, and the Clojure plugin is mostly better than the
IntelliJ one (though both are very early).
For a while I was using IntelliJ when teaching Tapestry (as part of
the
VMWare image I use when training) ... and I got a lot of
resistance.
People were much happier with Eclipse on the last couple of go-
rounds,
and I'm sticking with it.
Overall, I'm feeling that most of what I've grown used to in
IntelliJ
is present in Eclipse, just handled a bit differently. The Clojure
plugins are a wash; IntelliJ has the edge on the Git plugin. I
think
Subversion inside Eclipse is actually better.
I've even cranked up NetBeans but didn't find anything there
compelling
enough to switch.
It seems like all my major tools (Firefox, Firebug, Eclipse,
IntelliJ)
are in the habit of growing too complex, and doing too much stuff
in
the background that I don't care about. All those intentions in
IntelliJ that you have to turn off (for performance reasons), and
all
those extra plugins for Eclipse that you need to not download in
the
first place ... they're all getting in my way.
I think a lot of this falls into the general category of accidental
complexity ... to address the limitations of the Java programming
language, all this extra stuff is coming into play: tools and
wizards
and plugins and indexes and whatnot. I find it pretty pleasant to
work
with Clojure instead, where the accidental complexity of Java is
managed and isolated and the IDE doesn't feel the need to be overly
ambitious. That's the Clojure concept right there ... grow the
language
to your needs, rather than building up tools. I think that's the
Tapestry ethic as well.
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Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 7/02/2009 01:10:00 PM
Christian Edward Gruber
christianedwardgru...@gmail.com
http://www.geekinasuit.com/
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