Less is more with Eclipse. At least it has a reasonable XML editor built in now, and RunJettyRun gets the job done. How much more do you need? A better JavaScript and CSS editor would also be nice, the question is how much bloat do I have to drag in with those?
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Norman Franke <nor...@myasd.com> wrote: > I've had periodic lockups as well. I generally suspect memory leaks and > it's doing a garbage collection. I usually restart Eclipse when this > happens, and my problems go away. However, I have to leave it running for > weeks for this to happen. I've never had it crash. I'd add that it's updater > mechanism, while getting better, still needs some work, and various updated > mess stuff up. The latest J2EE perspective seems rather brain dead, hiding > new files and refusing to refresh. Previous version't wouldn't sort new file > properly, instead placing them in a random place. I've since moved back to > the plain old Java perspective. All in all, I've been pretty happy with it. > > Norman Franke > Answering Service for Directors, Inc. > www.myasd.com > > > > > On Jul 2, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Craig St. Jean wrote: > > I haven't had Eclipse (or products based on it) crash in a LONG time. I >> do >> however have it lock up for a couple minutes at a time several times a >> day. >> Incredibly frustrating when you have unsaved files. >> >> I remember I was using Eclipse 3.2 a couple of years ago and I timed it as >> being locked up for literally 16 minutes, as I was trying to do a save >> all... (though now its almost always less than 3 minutes) >> >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Angelo Chen <angelochen...@yahoo.com.hk >> >wrote: >> >> >>> I got two reasons not using Eclipse: >>> >>> 1) crashes, it just simply crashed even sitting there, probably it's >>> getting >>> better now. >>> 2) don't know what to download, so many versions out there, and never >>> find >>> out which one is correct for me, in front of Eclipse I'm really a >>> newbie:) >>> >>> angelo >>> >>> >>> Christian Edward Gruber-2 wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I agree - I bounce back and forth as well, quite commonly. I'm >>>> encouraged by Eclipse 3.5 for reasons you cite, but it's >>>> frustrating. Every-so-often I seriously consider just a text editor >>>> and command-line, but things like re-factoring tools, etc, usually >>>> bring me back. >>>> >>>> I'll tell you though, the one that gives me a NeXT-style >>>> InterfaceBuilder work-alike for Swing or SWT will probably win for >>>> me. (And if someone let me build tapestry code that way... drag and >>>> drop GUIs... I'd definitely pay for that privilege) >>>> >>>> Christian >>>> >>>> On Jul 2, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Howard wrote: >>>> >>>> I seem to be caught between two IDEs: Eclipse and IntelliJ. I >>>>> abandoned >>>>> Eclipse a couple of years back, partly based on wide spread >>>>> recommendations from many different people, and partly because Eclipse >>>>> just stopped working for me (it crashed out). >>>>> After I got started with IntelliJ I started to appreciate its merits, >>>>> despite a generally clunky interface (with lots of modal windows), >>>>> truly awful documentation. Many things are streamlined and only a >>>>> ctrl-alt-shift-coke-bottle-touch-your-nose away. >>>>> However, over time, using IntelliJ got slower and slower and slower. >>>>> It >>>>> also started running the Tapestry test suite horrifically slowly: 40 >>>>> minutes and up (it should be about five). It would often go away, even >>>>> when memory wasn't tight. Indexing? Checking Repositories? Computing >>>>> primes? No way to tell. >>>>> Meanwhile, Eclipse has been moving forward, with Eclipse Galileo being >>>>> a Cocoa (not a Carbon) application. Critical plugins such as M2Eclipse >>>>> have gotten nice, and the Clojure plugin is mostly better than the >>>>> IntelliJ one (though both are very early). >>>>> For a while I was using IntelliJ when teaching Tapestry (as part of >>>>> the >>>>> VMWare image I use when training) ... and I got a lot of resistance. >>>>> People were much happier with Eclipse on the last couple of go-rounds, >>>>> and I'm sticking with it. >>>>> Overall, I'm feeling that most of what I've grown used to in IntelliJ >>>>> is present in Eclipse, just handled a bit differently. The Clojure >>>>> plugins are a wash; IntelliJ has the edge on the Git plugin. I think >>>>> Subversion inside Eclipse is actually better. >>>>> I've even cranked up NetBeans but didn't find anything there >>>>> compelling >>>>> enough to switch. >>>>> It seems like all my major tools (Firefox, Firebug, Eclipse, IntelliJ) >>>>> are in the habit of growing too complex, and doing too much stuff in >>>>> the background that I don't care about. All those intentions in >>>>> IntelliJ that you have to turn off (for performance reasons), and all >>>>> those extra plugins for Eclipse that you need to not download in the >>>>> first place ... they're all getting in my way. >>>>> I think a lot of this falls into the general category of accidental >>>>> complexity ... to address the limitations of the Java programming >>>>> language, all this extra stuff is coming into play: tools and wizards >>>>> and plugins and indexes and whatnot. I find it pretty pleasant to work >>>>> with Clojure instead, where the accidental complexity of Java is >>>>> managed and isolated and the IDE doesn't feel the need to be overly >>>>> ambitious. That's the Clojure concept right there ... grow the >>>>> language >>>>> to your needs, rather than building up tools. I think that's the >>>>> Tapestry ethic as well. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 7/02/2009 01:10:00 PM >>>>> >>>> >>>> Christian Edward Gruber >>>> christianedwardgru...@gmail.com >>>> http://www.geekinasuit.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> >>> http://www.nabble.com/-Tapestry-Central--Caught-between-Two-IDEs-tp24313658p24315185.html >>> Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >>> >>> >>> > -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator of Apache Tapestry Director of Open Source Technology at Formos
