I haven't had Eclipse (or products based on it) crash in a LONG time. I do however have it lock up for a couple minutes at a time several times a day. Incredibly frustrating when you have unsaved files.
I remember I was using Eclipse 3.2 a couple of years ago and I timed it as being locked up for literally 16 minutes, as I was trying to do a save all... (though now its almost always less than 3 minutes) On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Angelo Chen <angelochen...@yahoo.com.hk>wrote: > > I got two reasons not using Eclipse: > > 1) crashes, it just simply crashed even sitting there, probably it's > getting > better now. > 2) don't know what to download, so many versions out there, and never find > out which one is correct for me, in front of Eclipse I'm really a newbie:) > > angelo > > > Christian Edward Gruber-2 wrote: > > > > I agree - I bounce back and forth as well, quite commonly. I'm > > encouraged by Eclipse 3.5 for reasons you cite, but it's > > frustrating. Every-so-often I seriously consider just a text editor > > and command-line, but things like re-factoring tools, etc, usually > > bring me back. > > > > I'll tell you though, the one that gives me a NeXT-style > > InterfaceBuilder work-alike for Swing or SWT will probably win for > > me. (And if someone let me build tapestry code that way... drag and > > drop GUIs... I'd definitely pay for that privilege) > > > > Christian > > > > On Jul 2, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Howard wrote: > > > >> I seem to be caught between two IDEs: Eclipse and IntelliJ. I > >> abandoned > >> Eclipse a couple of years back, partly based on wide spread > >> recommendations from many different people, and partly because Eclipse > >> just stopped working for me (it crashed out). > >> After I got started with IntelliJ I started to appreciate its merits, > >> despite a generally clunky interface (with lots of modal windows), > >> truly awful documentation. Many things are streamlined and only a > >> ctrl-alt-shift-coke-bottle-touch-your-nose away. > >> However, over time, using IntelliJ got slower and slower and slower. > >> It > >> also started running the Tapestry test suite horrifically slowly: 40 > >> minutes and up (it should be about five). It would often go away, even > >> when memory wasn't tight. Indexing? Checking Repositories? Computing > >> primes? No way to tell. > >> Meanwhile, Eclipse has been moving forward, with Eclipse Galileo being > >> a Cocoa (not a Carbon) application. Critical plugins such as M2Eclipse > >> have gotten nice, and the Clojure plugin is mostly better than the > >> IntelliJ one (though both are very early). > >> For a while I was using IntelliJ when teaching Tapestry (as part of > >> the > >> VMWare image I use when training) ... and I got a lot of resistance. > >> People were much happier with Eclipse on the last couple of go-rounds, > >> and I'm sticking with it. > >> Overall, I'm feeling that most of what I've grown used to in IntelliJ > >> is present in Eclipse, just handled a bit differently. The Clojure > >> plugins are a wash; IntelliJ has the edge on the Git plugin. I think > >> Subversion inside Eclipse is actually better. > >> I've even cranked up NetBeans but didn't find anything there > >> compelling > >> enough to switch. > >> It seems like all my major tools (Firefox, Firebug, Eclipse, IntelliJ) > >> are in the habit of growing too complex, and doing too much stuff in > >> the background that I don't care about. All those intentions in > >> IntelliJ that you have to turn off (for performance reasons), and all > >> those extra plugins for Eclipse that you need to not download in the > >> first place ... they're all getting in my way. > >> I think a lot of this falls into the general category of accidental > >> complexity ... to address the limitations of the Java programming > >> language, all this extra stuff is coming into play: tools and wizards > >> and plugins and indexes and whatnot. I find it pretty pleasant to work > >> with Clojure instead, where the accidental complexity of Java is > >> managed and isolated and the IDE doesn't feel the need to be overly > >> ambitious. That's the Clojure concept right there ... grow the > >> language > >> to your needs, rather than building up tools. I think that's the > >> Tapestry ethic as well. > >> > >> -- > >> Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 7/02/2009 01:10:00 PM > > > > Christian Edward Gruber > > christianedwardgru...@gmail.com > > http://www.geekinasuit.com/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/-Tapestry-Central--Caught-between-Two-IDEs-tp24313658p24315185.html > Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org > >
