Guys, Allow me to quote from Howard's blog at http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4110180&postID=115379415681750974 The quote goes: "As a reminder: Rails, the biggest success story I can name, has no tooling at all. Tooling is no replacement for productivity."
First of all, I question his use of "biggest success story". In our industry, big success is measured by huge corporate adoption and not about who can hype better. Looking at the current levels of adoption, can you sincerely claim that Rails is a big success story? I would agree with you if your claim were based on hype levels. But anyway, that's outside the scope of this group.
From such comments I can see why Tapestry would NEVER go mainstream. Howard
just don't get it. Howard, how many people are using Rails in the industry? Ralatively speaking, very few. If your ambition is to only target such small numbers of adoption, then you are surely on the right path. But let me wake you up by saying that Rails is only at the beginning of a long journey. By the time it goes near to even the current level of adoption of Tapestry people would demand an IDE. And I know the Rails people would listen and deliver. They may be less stubborn. And to those of you who are planning to invest your precious time to develop an IDE for Tapestry, watch out. With his current attitude and opinion on IDEs' I will assure you that Howard won't take into consideration during work on another major release. By the time you're stabilizing your code base for Tap 5 IDE, Howard would come up with Tap 6 and again with another radical changes to the extent that the only way to go forward would be to throw away your IDE code and start afresh with a new development for an IDE that would work with Tap 6. And then Tap 7 would come. Fill in the rest for me. In summary, before you commit your energy and time to any IDE development, first convince Howard to change his mind on IDEs. Otherwise I would say, go do something else with your precious time, like Geoffery is having a great time now with GWT ;-). My .02 cents. F On 8/28/06, Hugo Palma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Since Geoff decided to leave the Spindle project i've been thinking about the future of TapIDEA. As many of you know, TapIDEA is built on top of Spindle, which means "No Spindle" -> "No TapIDEA". There are several scenarios that can be put into account in the current situation, and after a long consideration here are my conclusions. Someone else picks up Spindle where Geoff left off: I honestly don't think this is going to happen. AFAIK Spindle was a one man project so no one else has the know how to quickly get into gear with the project. Some might think that that person could be me, and indeed i've become familiar with Spindle internals during the development of TapIDEA. But, there's the free time factor. I just wouldn't be able to find the time to do it. Still, if this scenario were to be become true, TapIDEA would live on. Spindle for T4 dies, a new project is born: Ok, so no Spindle and no TapIDEA for T4. What about T5 ? As Geoff as pointed out, T5 support is going to require an almost complete rewrite of Spindle. So, in this scenario someone would implement Spindle(or create a whole new project) for IDE support for T5, and TapIDEA would follow. I find that this is the scenario with the most chances of becoming reality. Spindle and TapIDEA die for good: Well, there's always the possibility that no one will volunteer to continue our efforts of bringing IDE support to Tapestry. In this scenario both Spindle and TapIDEA end their lives now. The TapIDEA project will be "hibernating" until one of these(or any other) scenarios become reality. I guess now it's up to the community to present their ideas about this. I hope that, together, we can give our contribution to making Tapestry IDE support a reality. Cheers, Hugo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
