Is spelling an issue?  

"unsubscribe" NOT unsubscribe



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Junge [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 8:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Unsubsribe -is- broken

Unsubscribing *does* work. As a moderator I have been helping several of those 
subscribers who complained and it always turned out that they did something 
wrong. The most common error is trying to unsubscribe with a different email 
address than that one which is on the list. Furthermore, the moderators are 
using exactly the same method.

Nonetheless, I have just tested the whole cycle with subscribing and 
unsubscribing an email address and it worked like a charm.

Confirming unsubscribing *is* absolutely necessary. It's easy to spoof email 
addresses, even Google Mail has this feature. This is like a postcard. I may 
send a postcard with your name on it as a prank and email works in the same way.

Best regards,
Peter

On 12/16/2012 11:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> The unsubsribe does not work.  This is first of all obvious from the number 
> of complaints to the list.  It is beside the point that the process sometimes 
> or even usually works.  Counting the number of people it works for is 
> pointless.  Instead count the number who have complained.
>
> The first unsubsribe email works, at least to the point where one receives 
> the auto confirm.
>
> That there even is a confirm is madness.  It is also quite possibly illegal 
> as removing oneself from auto mailers has been regulated. From the moment a 
> user wishes to absent themselves from this list and going forward you are 
> spam.
>
> Of course, like all spam the response is "well you signed up".  That doesn't 
> change the fact that you're spamming.
>
> The auto generated response contains the instruction to reply.  When one does 
> (and the process fails) the result is a parse error at the server resulting 
> in a auto generated help response.
>
> My mailer flags the email address on the help page as invalid.  I will not 
> defend my mailer, but simply point out it is vastly deployed.
>
> It is too much to hope for, I know, that after so many months of complaints 
> anyone will take the issue seriously.  However it is an issue and further 
> more it seems to be unique to this list.  I monitor several other lists with 
> similar infrastructure and there is never a complaint.
>
> If someone is willing to do more than shrug I have the following suggestions, 
> in order of likelihood of success.
>    1 lose the two part process notification is enough it's free to sign up.
>    2. revamp the confirm message and inductions.
>    3. provide a backup html solution.
>
>
>

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